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This is why I have a very hard time with Christians who love trump.

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As an evangelical and member of the Global Advisory Board of Christian Post's parent company, I was heartbroken to read CP's recent editorial telling evangelicals that we have a moral obligation to vote and must vote for either Donald Trump or a protest candidate.

I see three options for evangelicals in this election and none of them include voting for Trump. Evangelicals can morally justify a protest vote for a third party, not vote at all, or join the 30%+ of evangelicals saying they'll vote for Hillary Clinton.

What we cannot do is to cast our vote for Donald Trump. The harm to the Christian witness if we support this man who embodies everything Christ warned Christians against in the Sermon on the Mount would last generations.

What will our Latino brothers and sisters think of us? How could we ever again have credibility on religious freedom if we are willing to trade the First Amendment rights of our Muslim American neighbors so easily? And what will our children learn when they see us cast our lot with this man?

We cannot be deceived about the man we'd be voting to make the most powerful man in the world.

Trump has said he will order U.S. soldiers to kill innocent women and children of our enemies and do "the unthinkable" when it comes to torture—all in violation of international law and Christian morality.

Trump said he has never asked God for forgiveness and does not need to.

Trump is a thrice-married adulterer who brags not only about cheating on his own wife but with the wives of other men. In the words of GOP Rep. Reid Ribble, "Trump is often simply hateful," having mocked the disabled and saying things about women CP won't even let me print. Remember, this is the man who says he's never needed God's forgiveness.

I know the editors of CP to be good evangelical Christians, but they made the same mistake many evangelicals are liable to make. They said they were actually tempted by Trump's offer to "Vote for me, and I will give you Supreme Court picks and abolish the Johnson Amendment."

Trump's "tempting" offer is remarkably like another made two millennia ago … when the Devil offered Jesus the power to rule over all the kingdoms of the world with justice and mercy, if only Christ would bow down to the Devil. American Christians should not take a deal Jesus rejected.


It profits a man nothing to give his soul in exchange for the entire world ... how can we possibly consider doing so in exchange for Trump's empty promise of Supreme Court nominees?

It can't be because of abortion. When George W. Bush was President, 2/3 of the Supreme Court were Republican appointees, and Republicans controlled the White House and all of Congress. Yet Roe remains. We cannot possibly be so naïve as to believe Donald Trump — who until he decided to run as a Republican supported partial birth abortion without restriction — would do more.

I sure hope it's not because of "religious freedom" or the fear I've heard that if we get a liberal Court, Christianity will decline in America. I absolutely reject the fear that underlies the Supreme Court idolatry taking hold in some of our churches. If the Church needs the Court to save souls and empower a faithful witness — both spoken and lived — then we are truly lost. Christ promised us a cross and the Holy Spirit as our advocate, not tax breaks for our business and a worldly Court to defend our beliefs.

It would be the extreme of folly to place our hope of religious freedom in a man who says he'll use the government to spy on houses of worship, deny sanctuary to families fleeing ISIS and disqualify judges based on their faith, and who the Christian Post editors said would silence Christian leaders who oppose him like Russell Moore and Max Lucado. What would it say about us to accept this deal of Trump's on the condition that we turn a blind eye to his taking religious freedom from others and persecuting some of our most faithful Christian leaders?

And where did this anti-Johnson Amendment stuff come from? In what world do we think it's a good idea to allow our tithes to be used to support political candidates and for churches to become openly partisan political operations? Is there a faster way to turn God's house from a house of prayer into a den of thieves?!

To the faithful, Trump has said, "Christians should vote for me because if I'm there, you're going to have plenty of power. You don't need anybody else." Trump claims to be sinless and without need of God's forgiveness. Let me ask you, when the beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies, what kind of things do you think he said?

What will it do to the evangelical witness if we are marked by our support of Trump? And given Trump's life of broken promises and worship of only himself, even if the cost of accepting this deal were not so high, why would anyone put their faith in Trump to keep his vows once he has gotten what he wants?

But perhaps worst of all, if we accept Trump's deal, we'll trade all we are for nothing. Trump will definitely not save the Church or restore morality and Christian decency in America. But it's also becoming increasingly clear he will lose this election. America has seen Trump for what he truly is. He will lose, and we will have traded all we are to join the losing side.

The age-old question for believers during times of trial is whether we will turn to a Strongman for salvation or keep faith in the One who binds the Strongman through meekness, love, sacrifice, and forgiveness. God's kingdom will come regardless of what we do now. But later, when our children ask whether we cast our lot with a man like Trump and our Lord ultimately asks who we trusted in this time, what will we say?

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I have a hard time with Christians who support either of these jackwagons.

I agree with you.

I have a hard time with Christians who can't see the true evil in our society. Nothing a few months of sensitivity training and the threat of losing everything won't cure.

It is time to try something different than the status quo.

Trump

I have expressed great concerns about Trump and Christianity. When he said that he is going to heaven because he has done all kinds of good things for other people, well, then I knew that he has no understanding of being a Christian.

Both of the top 2 candidates have expressed hateful ideas. Both of them have lied their butts off. Hillary Clinton (and Tim Kaine, as well) supports and promotes abortion, which I feel no Christian should. Trump used to until he had an epiphany ..... and decided that he wanted to be President. Neither one is what I would consider to be acting as a Christian should. If acting as a Christian would, and if expressing strong Christian beliefs were the reason that Christians would either vote for, or against a candidate, then Christians would have very little opportunity to vote in any elections.

I find both candidates to be unacceptable. However, one will win, and I have to trust that God has a plan, and a purpose behind allowing these 2 people to be the nominees of the 2 Parties.

For crying out loud we are electing a President, not a Pope!

Wouldn't be the first time we had a low faith to no faith President.

He bobs and weaves better than Sugar Ray Leonard in his prime.

Trump is a snake.

(This is in no way an endorsement of Hillary.)

I could post a hundred of "Hillary is the Anti Christ" videos but I ignore that stuff because it is most likely foolish, just like saying Trump is the Devil is foolish.

And no one here likes Hillary.

i always wondered why we even bother trying to appeal to any religious groups in a secular nation.

Because it constitutes %30 of the Republican base.

So we should instead vote for a woman who is proud to support murdering our own unborn children, and who defended and laughed about a man who raped a 12 year old child.

If a snake could bob and weave, I am sure it could learn how from Trump.

Uhhh, because we vote?

Thanks, captain obvious.

But I mean in the grand scheme of things....we're a secular nation.

I'm just bringing a perspective from someone who could be on the outside looking in.

I know why we do it at a base level.

But from an ant farm view, it will evolve into being pointless.

Especially when the religious constantly trash their own views by voting for somebody who doesn't remotely share theirs. I thought you wasn't suppose to sacrifice your values.

Trump isn't the devil,, he's Hitler

I hate this anti-Christ stuff that seems to happen with every new leader. I remember the talk about Obama being the devil too.

I like how in new mexico they approved a third candidate and he might win that state. If he does it might send the election into a tailspin due to niether party winning 270 electoral votes. I would love that!

He is!

Which is exactly why faith shouldn't even be part of the discussion, criteria or judgement of who is elected. Separation of church and state should mean...religion shouldn't be part of politics!

Ted was right when he said "Because we vote".

Perhaps Race should not be part of politics either?
How about income?
Gender?
Nazi's?

This has nothing to do with church and state.

He is presidential nominee who's values are far from Christian values and yet Christians are supporting him. He has done and said many things that are not Christ like .....so I do not understand how God fearing, bible thumping Christians are supporting this man. Think if he was the pastor of your church (not you.. just a general statement for everyone). Would it be ok if your paster has been married 3 times or your pastor exploiting poor people to make himself rich? I mean that is not what Christ would want.

Christian Trump supports I ask you... Is the dislike for Hillary, more important then the Christian values?

This article is from a Christian blog, so it is specifically for Christians so its not anti-Christ propaganda.

This was my post in the Pence thread but it fits here just as well...
"Should it surprise you? Many 'christians' pick and choose what they want from the Bible. Why should it be any surprise they'll pick and choose what they want from the Donald?
God bless 'Murcia."

Apparently, it's perfectly acceptable to call our leaders names. But what doesn't seem acceptable is to accept them as our leaders. Obama might have been right when he said that Palin was the start of the hateful alt right.

As far as getting rich: I prefer to see somebody get rich based on their own brilliance, work ethic, and yes even by using tax/bankruptcy law to their advantage. That is much preferable to getting rich due to selling political favors.

Neither side really exemplifies Christian values. I actually like the idea of separation of church and state but I also think that all people (religious and non-religious) should have their voices heard.

You mean like when she said "They cling to their Bibles and Guns?"

Oh, that was Obama from the start. Never mind.

Obama is out of office in January.. The meanness and stupidity of the right in attacking him now makes no sense to me.

he's done.. let it go. Just like everyone told me to let it go when Bush damn near killed America.

Well we are even then because you constantly saying "I'm a Republican" and then posting the most biased anti Republican stuff while being completely Liberal makes no sense to me.
Identity crisis perhaps?

What?

Oh how the Liberal Progressives are so open minded and inclusive, NOT!


Pro-Trump, Milo-linked art show in doubt after threats from anti-Trump activists


Organizers of a pro-Trump art show tied to right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos and set to launch in Brooklyn on Saturday are scrambling to find a new gallery after organizers say the original venue caved under threats from anti-Trump activists.

The exhibit is called #DaddyWillSaveUs – a reference to a trend among some gay Trump supporters to refer to the Republican nominee as “Daddy.” It is gay conservative artist Lucian Wintrich’s follow-up to his previous art show “Twinks4Trump” which was on display during the Republican convention in July and featured gay young men wearing Trump paraphernalia. “Twink” is a term in the gay community that refers to boyish, mostly hairless, young gay men.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/...-activists.html

evangelical leaders denounce Trump for fueling 'bigotry'

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...fueling-bigotry

A group of 94 evangelical leaders has written an open letter condemning Donald Trump for fueling “racial, religious, and gender bigotry.”


“We believe the candidacy of Donald J. Trump has given voice to a movement that affirms racist elements in white culture — both explicit and implicit,” reads the letter, circulated Thursday as a petition on Change.org.
The letter was signed by 94 faith leaders who come from a “wide range of denominations, churches, and political orientations.”

As of 9:49 a.m., the petition had been endorsed by 4,400 people. The Trump campaign did not immediately respond when asked for comment.

The group attacked the Republican presidential nominee for promoting “birtherism” — the conspiracy theory that President Obama was not born in the United States — and demonizing people of color, foreigners, immigrants, Muslims and refugees. They also accused him of giving voice to white nationalists.

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“Trump has steadily refused to clearly and aggressively confront extremist voices and movements of white supremacy, some of whom now call him their 'champion,' and has therefore helped to take the dangerous fringes of white nationalism in America to the mainstream of politics,” the letter reads.

The group also made clear that the letter was not meant as an endorsement of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, who they said is both “supported and distrusted by a variety of Christian voters.”

“We, undersigned evangelicals, simply will not tolerate the racial, religious, and gender bigotry that Donald Trump has consistently and deliberately fueled, no matter how else we choose to vote or not to vote,” reads the letter.

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I wonder if any of the 'religious' agree with these leaders.

This topic is about Christianity please stay on topic. thanks.

Dude! Where you might be right ... Clinton is by FAR 100 times worse.. Where has she aligned herself as a Christian?

This is where I meant to say this



Dude! Where you might be right ... Clinton is by FAR 100 times worse.. Where has she aligned herself as a Christian?

She is always a professed Christian when she travels the South.

Evangelical Christians generally side with Republicans so this has nothing to do with Clinton (who I don't like btw)

What I don't understand is why Republican Christians did not vote for someone like Kasich, who is a Christian, and basically refused to talk about his faith because he refused to use his Christian values as a tool to appeal to people to get votes.

Honestly if Kasich was running he would probably get my vote over clinton. I also think he would stomp Clinton.

And he lost.

I voted for Cruz but he lost.

So now we have Trump. I will vote for him because the Democrats in no way represent my values or the direction I see as best for America. The Republicans are much closer to them. Trump is the Republican Candidate.

I will not support the status quo by voting for Clinton and the Left. I will not stay home which is a vote for Clinton and the Left. I will not vote third party which is a vote for Clinton and the Left.
I will try to make a change to the direction America is taking that is closer to my values.

So back to my question is the dislike for Clinton, more important then your Christian values?

How will trump get you closer to your values?

Back to my answer...

is the dislike for Clinton, more important then your Christian values?- NO.

How will trump get you closer to your values?- He is the Republican Candidate and they more closely represent my values. He himself represents a change to the direction America is heading so he wins on more than just my values.

j/c:

I don't like either candidate, but I wish people would stop w/the devil and anti-Christ rhetoric. It's ignorant.