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http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/07/20/g...arctic-sea-ice/

A group of adventurers, sailors, pilots and climate scientists that recently started a journey around the North Pole in an effort to show the lack of ice, has been blocked from further travels by ice.
The Polar Ocean Challenge is taking a two month journey that will see them go from Bristol, Alaska, to Norway, then to Russia through the North East passage, back to Alaska through the North West passage, to Greenland and then ultimately back to Bristol. Their objective, as laid out by their website, was to demonstrate “that the Arctic sea ice coverage shrinks back so far now in the summer months that sea that was permanently locked up now can allow passage through.”
There has been one small hiccup thus-far though: they are currently stuck in Murmansk, Russia because there is too much ice blocking the North East passage the team said didn’t exist in summer months, according to Real Climate Science.
Real Climate Science also provides a graph showing that current Arctic temperatures — despite alarmist claims of the Arctic being hotter than ever — is actually below normal.
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Stuck in Murmansk, Russia due to ice? In the summer?



That's like being stuck in Milwaukee. (here's a photo of the brutal Murmansk summer)



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it's cold outside today. so much for global warming amirite?

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Wait, maybe they want to be stuck in Murmansk.

“Yeah honey, we’re running behind because of..of.. Of the ice”



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http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2016/07/14/alaska-heat-records/87086826/

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Heat records have been shattered this week in Alaska, typically the USA's coldest state.

Deadhorse, located near the coast of the Arctic Ocean, skyrocketed to a record 85 degrees Wednesday, the warmest temperature ever recorded in that area, the National Weather Service said.

It was also the state's highest temperature ever measured within 50 miles of the Arctic, climatologist Brian Brettschneider, who lives in Alaska, said.

The average high temperature this time of year in Deadhorse is 57 degrees, Weather Underground reports.

Brettschneider also said the heat index at Tanana, Alaska, on Wednesday was 85 degrees. It was 88 degrees in Fairbanks on Wednesday, hotter than New York City's 85 degrees.

The heat wave follows a freakishly warm start to the year in Alaska. It was the warmest winter, spring and first six months of the year there, according to NOAA. So far in 2016, the state's average temperature is 30.4 degrees, some 9 degrees higher than normal.

The all-time record high temperature in Alaska is 100 degrees, set on June 27, 1915, in Fort Yukon.

The warmth in northern and central Alaska is not forecast to last, with a dramatic cool-down expected by the weekend and next week, the weather service said. Temperatures could drop to as much as 20 degrees below normal, and some freezing rain is possible in Barrow.


If Rocket gets lucky this year he could probably take a motorcycle to work this year.

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Well, I hope they wasted alot of time and alot of funds going there and getting slapped in the face like that.

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it's cold outside today. so much for global warming amirite?


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It looks like they are out of Murmansk. I'm also curious to see how far they go in what appears to be a dinghy:

http://polarocean.co.uk/tracking/

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I'd join you but I can't find any room with all the heads down there in the sand where the fresh water used to be.


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Don't you mean their heads are stuck in the water where the fresh sand used to be?


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Hoover Dam in the 90's....



Hoover Dam today....


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Hoover Dam is like that because of the water crisis that Las Vegas, LA and the rest of Cali have gotten themselves into.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Hoover Dam is like that because of the water crisis that Las Vegas, LA and the rest of Cali have gotten themselves into.




LOL... being in the worst drought in 1200 yrs. had nothing to do with it. Ok


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The population of Clark County, where Vegas is, has gone from 750,000 in 1990 to over 2 million today.. and that doesn't count whatever the increase in tourism has been.


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I'm not saying increased population doesn't have any effect at all. But the main cause of these low water levels is the drought.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...ast-1-200-years

Record rains fell in California this week. They’re not enough to change the course of what scientists are now calling the region’s worst drought in at least 1,200 years.
Just how bad has California’s drought been? Modern measurements already showed it’s been drier than the 1930s dustbowl, worse than the historic droughts of the 1970s and 1980s. That's not all. New research going back further than the Viking conquests in Europe still can't find a drought as bad as this one.
To go back that far, scientists consulted one of the longest records available: tree rings. Tighter rings mean drier years, and by working with California’s exceptionally old trees, researchers from University of Minnesota and Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute were able to reconstruct a chronology of drought in southern and central California. They identified 37 droughts that lasted three years or more, going back to the year 800.
None were as extreme as the conditions we’re seeing now.
One of the oddities of this drought is that conditions aren’t just driven by a lack of rainfall. There have been plenty of droughts in the past with less precipitation. (The drought of 1527 to 1529, for example, was killer.) What makes this drought exceptional is the heat. Extreme heat.


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I'm not saying increased population doesn't have any effect at all.

I don't really know what you are saying because you posted two pictures of a dam with no commentary.. it used to have more water in it, now it has less. And California is in a drought... Since you haven't drawn any conclusions, I have to draw my own.. so since you posted it in a global warming thread, I'll assume you are blaming it on global warming..


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and I'm wondering who in the year 800 was recording drought information for southern nevada?


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Actually I believe that can be pretty well determined by rings inside the trunk of a tree.


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I'll bet all those golf courses around Vegas are nice and green.


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Actually I believe that can be pretty well determined by rings inside the trunk of a tree.

Yes, there are some trees in Nevada that are over 4000 years old... glad we cut a few of them down so we could find out if it was raining 1200 years ago. tongue


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I wasn't actually advocating such an action. I was just sayin'!

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With proper water allocation those states and California could have been fine with the current drought. They've really depleted their resources through extremely high use. Have you ever been to Vegas, L.A., Phoenix? These places scream "I'm not being serious about my water usage."

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
With proper water allocation those states and California could have been fine with the current drought. They've really depleted their resources through extremely high use. Have you ever been to Vegas, L.A., Phoenix? These places scream "I'm not being serious about my water usage."


I was serious about my golf course crack. I can't imagine how much water it takes to keep them green in the desert. And there are a lot of golf courses in Vegas and Phoenix.


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
I'm not saying increased population doesn't have any effect at all. But the main cause of these low water levels is the drought.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2...ast-1-200-years

Record rains fell in California this week. They’re not enough to change the course of what scientists are now calling the region’s worst drought in at least 1,200 years.
Just how bad has California’s drought been? Modern measurements already showed it’s been drier than the 1930s dustbowl, worse than the historic droughts of the 1970s and 1980s. That's not all. New research going back further than the Viking conquests in Europe still can't find a drought as bad as this one.
To go back that far, scientists consulted one of the longest records available: tree rings. Tighter rings mean drier years, and by working with California’s exceptionally old trees, researchers from University of Minnesota and Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute were able to reconstruct a chronology of drought in southern and central California. They identified 37 droughts that lasted three years or more, going back to the year 800.
None were as extreme as the conditions we’re seeing now.
One of the oddities of this drought is that conditions aren’t just driven by a lack of rainfall. There have been plenty of droughts in the past with less precipitation. (The drought of 1527 to 1529, for example, was killer.) What makes this drought exceptional is the heat. Extreme heat.


That might actually matter if Lake Mead filled from California. Seeing as Lake Powell in Utah feeds the Colorado river and then Lake Mead, it might be better to look at Lake Powell to see why Mead is low. BTW, Lake Powell is currently at it's highest levels since 2013.


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With proper water allocation those states and California could have been fine with the current drought. They've really depleted their resources through extremely high use. Have you ever been to Vegas, L.A., Phoenix? These places scream "I'm not being serious about my water usage."


I was serious about my golf course crack. I can't imagine how much water it takes to keep them green in the desert. And there are a lot of golf courses in Vegas and Phoenix.


Golf courses are awesome. Who cares if it takes billions of gallons of water to keep them green, they're golf courses and they deserve it, the tourists deserve it! /purple


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Not sure if this thread is political, or breaks my self imposed rules, but here's some perspective from just below the arctic circle.

Historically, the winters where I work and live feature -60 degree windchills for most of the winter months, snow that drifts up to the top of your door (meaning an earlier rise from bed to make it into work, after literally digging yourself out of snow, to teach kids in the classroom), and a solid ice sheet in our bay that connects to the Bering Sea. The kicker? I haven't witnessed any of that in the three years I've taught up in Alaska.

Our winters, for at least the past three years, end up milder than a typical Northeast Ohio winter. This ended up being the trend for a few years before I arrived. Sure, a couple of them end up as typical Alaska strength winters, but the extreme winter trend is starting to go away.

Even our local village Elders comment on it. They see everything changing.

Just my two cents, but y'all can get back to arguing about scientists.

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Tighter rings mean drier years






Problem solved.


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Problem solved.


GM - that was "years", not "re..". rofl

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looks like they're going for it!


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Come on 32 you know as well as I do. If it's dry its going to be years before you get any LOL


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Come on 32 you know as well as I do. If it's dry its going to be years before you get any LOL


Are you talking about wheat crop?


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Come on 32 you know as well as I do. If it's dry its going to be years before you get any LOL


Are you talking about wheat crop?



UMMM Hell no


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Come on 32 you know as well as I do. If it's dry its going to be years before you get any LOL


Are you talking about wheat crop?



UMMM Hell no


Corn?


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
Come on 32 you know as well as I do. If it's dry its going to be years before you get any LOL


I think I'll pass on that, thanks... willynilly


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Come on 32 you know as well as I do. If it's dry its going to be years before you get any LOL


Are you talking about wheat crop?



UMMM Hell no


Corn?


If thats what y,all in Tulsa call it these days wink


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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Hoover Dam is like that because of the water crisis that Las Vegas, LA and the rest of Cali have gotten themselves into.


Yeah, a lack of freshwater is going to be an issue in the coming decades. One would think California should be at the forefront of desalination efforts.


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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral

Hoover Dam in the 90's....



Hoover Dam today....


The dam looks the same to me.


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