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I know that this is totally speculation on my part, and it may not mean anything at all, but it seems like a lot of clips that I am seeing on the main site shows us using some rollout schemes. (Mainly the Brady Quinn video)

I am a huge fan of the rollout pass. It creates so many positive things... For example...

1) You change the pass rushing route of the defenders. You cause the defender to move laterally which slows them down.

2) You flood all the receivers to the QB. This makes his job easy because it allows him to not have to read the defense as much.

3) A QB is not a standing duck in the pocket. When he leaves the pocket, he can do one of four things... Run the football, run out of bounds, throw the ball, or throw the ball away. (In the pocket, you can either throw the ball or get sacked)

4) An effective roll out passing game will slow down a pass rush when you decide to drop back with your 3, 5, or 7 step game. It does this by causing the d-linemen to think. For example: if it is 3rd and ten and the defenders are in pass rush mode, they now have to think: "Is it boot pass or drop back?" If it's a rollout pass and the defender runs straight up field, they take themselves out of the play.

4b) By making the pass rushers think, you are allowing the O-linemen to block speed rushers not a full speed.

Anyway, I hope we use the rollout passing game to our advantage. 2 out of 3 of our QB's are pretty good on their feet. I remember hollering like crazy last year about how we NEVER ROLL THE QB! Please CHUD, HELP ME OUT MAN!!!

It also makes qb accuracy worse because the QB is throwing on the move or across his body or whatnot.

It allows the DBs to only have to cover half the field.

It makes playaction less effective.

It makes blocking schemes more difficult because the pocket is moving.

It makes checking down to a back less likely.

It has it's drawbacks as well. I like using it sometimes if you have a mobile QB who can throw on the run, but I don't really want it to become THE staple pass formation...

but the problem is as soon as you snap the ball, the OL has to start sliding the pocket for the roll-out, the QB has to fake the handoff, then roll out, thus making plays take longer to develop. I didn't say it makes it completely ineffective, I just think it's much easier to recognize the handoff is a fake if the offense is already starting to roll out...

Yeah, but, here is the beauty of having a rolling QB. You can playaction a stretch play to the right and then roll the QB opposite of the defense. Just hope that the back side end bites!!!!

Gentlemen, the debate you are having about the roll-out pass is the exact reason why it takes 11 guys on both sides of the ball to play this game. If there was one type of offense that was unstoppable, being that it has no flaws or holes, then everyone would just use that and no one would ever be able to stop it. Every week, every game would be a shoot-out and there'd be no point in having a defense on the field. Just start a clock and the team with the most points when the clock runs out wins the game.
Obviously, this would be the dumbest game ever. Kinda like 5th grade backyard football.... no one wants to play defense.

But the thing that makes football so great is that no offense is perfect. No play is perfect. It really boils down to athletic performance and knowledge of the gameplan to win. So pointing out all the pros and cons with the rollout pass is moot IMHO. As long as we execute whatever the play call is and as long as all 11 guys on our side of the ball do their job, it will be effective.

Interesting stuff and something other than BE and whatall.

Good points by all. In reality, should it be the staple of the pass offense?? ..no way. Should it be shown and used as a variable the other team has to consider..absolutely.

The caveat is that our QB's are right handed and would more than likely roll to the right. The line "speed" on our team will be to the left with Thomas and Stienbach. What we end up with is a QB rolling to the right on a bootleg with little or no protection. Our right side is notoriously slow and that's why we never see a "Student Body Right" As an option for a fake counter play or draw, why not.

Just my two pennies worth.

I thought that every pass the Browns threw last season was a rollout pass.

Rollout passes are a tool or a weapon..used correctly and at the right time,, it can be terrific,.. But like anything else, it's got positives and negatives.... it still comes down to execution..

I like the idea of using a designed rollout pass once in a while but not all of the time. As DC said, it's got drawbacks, as well as, positives. If executed well by all 11, it can be effective, if not, well you get the idea.

Another drawback, the QB can still roll right into pressure, me thinks Frye did this a few times last season. However, I beleive this falls on the OL, as they have to block and protect the QB. Although the QB should be aware of where he is running too.

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(In the pocket, you can either throw the ball or get sacked)

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Or if you have an effective pocket (I know it's been a long time, but they do exist) many times the QB can break a good run right up the gut.

There aren't only 2 results of dropping into a pocket.

Yeah, you're probably right, but I think we can agree that rolling your QB gives him more options than a straight drop back...

I don't like rolling out all the time, but I would like to see it 6-8 times a game, especially in the red zone.