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Jared Goff solid vs. Stanford with Browns GM scouting game
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Among those in attendance were Browns GM Ray Farmer

Jimmie, we are doomed if Farmer makes the first pick in the draft, stop this madness now.

kinda hard to disagree with this

The reason he's still scouting players is because nobody has relieved him of his duties. He's not been fired, so until he's told differently, he's doing whatever it is he sees as his job.

That's my guess. If he knew he was getting fired, I'd suspect he wouldn't go out of town to scout anybody.

I don't like Farmer, but scouting players is part of his job.

LOL.......y'all are funny.

you defended Farmer?

*walks outside to see if pigs are flying*

LOL

I've defended him before. I thought getting Whit and Dansby were good moves. Liked how he found Crow and Williams. Liked the Bitonio pick. Cutting Weeden was smart. He's done some good things.

So you're telling me he attended a college football game over the weekend???

Farmer is a disgrace to real scouts.

Well there is a thought

Because he's still the GM?

How would we know?

It could be worse, It could be you making the 1st pick

"Funny" may be far too kind a word for some...

That was my reaction after laughing my ass off.... Pettine should stop coaching? Yes. Perhaps the team would play better.

He just said he was doing his job, he didn't say he was doing it well.

Or he could start... whichever works.

Farmer scouting is a waste of time. He'd be better off using a magic eight ball to make our picks. Perhaps he will. I think it's possible Farmer has Haslam fooled.... Farmer could be with us a long time and isn't THAT a scary thought? I really don't like the way this team is headed.....

j/c

I can see that this thread will get a lot of action...

Yep, couldn't have said it any better. We should strip his ability to carry out transactions, that's for damn sure... but no harm in letting the moron scout.

Farmer knows more football than most people in the world I am sure. His belief on how to assemble a team and evaluate talent (including limitations on that talent due to personality and off-field issues) is questionable at best.

That is a concern I share. Farmer did lose some power when he cheated and texted. Though that said, Pet did not capitalize on the power vacuum that existed at the time. All of this is discouraging because in an ideal situation the HC and GM should not be in a tug of war to get the owner's nod.

Yeah Farmer was scouting.
Any WR over 5'9 he crossed off his list of prospects.

Are you ever going to deny being a troll? Someone with credibility would have, by now.

Better question: You even scout? Seriously, If this guy has put much effort into his craft that's awfully sad. He'd have better luck playing pin the tail on the draft board.

if your a browns fan and your saying we`re going the the superbowl its ok. but if your saying we are a mess then we are a troll

if ray knows more football than us....we are in trouble....oh wait...we are...

LOL

+1. That is unfortunately how some sensitive and disgruntled homer fans are. It seems they do not realize it or are in denial.

As for SB I would agree we are not going anytime soon.

As for the down emotions, I believe you either laugh or you cry at times like this. For me better to at least try to laugh.

If Cincy actually won the SB, every acquaintance (hundreds) at Isaac Wise temple (and Adath Israel) would find a reason to contact me and then "casually" steer the conversation to football. They would all come from the woodwork. It's one of those deals where Dalton is a fraud, but in my mind so much better than what we have now that I wouldn't mind having him.

Nate Ulrich: Ray Farmer’s text scandal still haunting Browns, Mike Pettine shouldn’t take fall for it

The ripple effect from General Manager Ray Farmer’s text-messaging scandal put the Browns behind the eight ball before this dreadful season began, and they’ve never been able to recover.

Now they’re 3-11, tied with the Tennessee Titans for the worst record in the NFL with two games remaining, and no one should be the least bit surprised if owner Jimmy Haslam chooses to fire Farmer and coach Mike Pettine after the season finale on Jan. 3.

But there’s a case for why Pettine shouldn’t take the fall, and it stems from Farmer clashing with the coaching staff last season.

The friction between Farmer and the coaches, fueled by disagreements over personnel and the GM badgering members of the staff with impermissible in-game texts about how they should have been doing their jobs, led to offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan resigning on Jan. 8 with two years left on a three-year contract.

Forced to scramble for a new offensive coordinator, Pettine hired John DeFilippo on Jan. 21. Because DeFilippo would be a first-time NFL coordinator who had never called plays at the game’s highest level, Pettine decided to shift his focus from defense to offense.

Pettine is a defensive expert who spent five seasons as a coordinator on that side of the ball before the Browns hired him last year. When he decided to help DeFilippo by moving to offense, it left second-year defensive coordinator Jim O’Neil with more responsibility than he’s ever had. The maneuvering backfired.
The defense, the highest-paid unit in the league, has been a huge disappointment since Pettine decreased his involvement with it. It ranked 23rd in fewest yards allowed (366.1 per game) and ninth in fewest points allowed (21.1) last season. Now it’s 26th in fewest yards allowed (387.9) and 31st in fewest points allowed (27.6).

As for the offense, DeFilippo has gotten better production from the quarterback position than Shanahan did, and the improvement shouldn’t be discounted. But on the other hand, the running game disappeared for the vast majority of the season.

A few days after the Browns racked up 230 rushing yards Dec. 13 in a rare win over the San Francisco 49ers, All-Pro left tackle Joe Thomas admitted, “this being Flip’s first year, it’s probably taken us longer to figure out who we want to be running the ball than it should have.”

Offensive line coach Andy Moeller being suspended shortly before the season opener amid assault allegations from his fiancee and later leaving the organization further damaged DeFilippo’s chances of getting the running game on track. The Browns had the 17th-ranked rushing offense (108 yards per game) last season. Now they’re tied for 29th in rushing (86.5 yards).

Pettine had planned for the defense and running game to be the cornerstones of the team, but underachieving in those areas has left the Browns without an identity. Injuries have played a part in the failure to meet expectations, but the coaching staff being discombobulated is the deeper issue.

Blame Pettine if you want. Although he began his tenure with the Browns 7-4, it’s hard to defend a coach who has lost 16 of his past 19 games, experienced problems with clock management and refrained from taking control of the defense earlier this year when something had to give.

But it’s also difficult to ignore the circumstances triggered by Farmer’s texts.

The masses are justified in ripping Farmer for his track record through two drafts, but those disappointing picks and some whiffs in free agency might not be his greatest sin. The league suspended Farmer for four games and fined the organization $250,000 because of his texting, though the Browns are still paying the price in other ways.

If Haslam blows it all up despite vowing on Aug. 1 not to hit the reset button, the vast majority of fans won’t complain after enduring a brutal season like this one. Perhaps he’ll hire a CEO to run the Browns and no one will survive because the new bigwig would want his handpicked people to coach the team and guide the personnel department.

But if Haslam is determined to keep either Farmer or Pettine and get rid of the other, the billionaire from Tennessee must consider the repercussions of Farmer’s texts.

Of course, Pettine shouldn’t be spared under any scenario unless he agrees to make some significant adjustments to his staff.

At minimum, he would need to hire an experienced offensive line coach who could serve as a running game coordinator and a respected senior offensive assistant capable of taking DeFilippo under his wing. Former head coaches or offensive coordinators would be preferable for those positions. Bolstering the staff around DeFilippo would allow Pettine to become much more hands-on with the defense like he was last season.

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/nate-ulrich-ray-farmer-s-text-scandal-still-haunting-browns-mike-pettine-shouldn-t-take-fall-for-it-1.649279?%3F%3F=

I don't many or any saying we are going to SB.

Eotab I havent heard 1 Browns fan utter those words in years..not 1.

I live in BenGal land and it makes me puke..one reason I'm wanting to move..they are the worst.

I agree with some of Ulrich's premise, but our run defense was horrible last year when Pettine was supposedly focusing on that side of the ball.

Also, is Pettine still not helping out O'Neil?

http://www.dawgpoundnation.com/2015/12/22/report-ray-farmer-to-be-fired-at-end-of-season/

Report: Ray Farmer To Be Fired At End Of Season

According to Omar Kelly of the Florida Sun-Sentinel, the Browns are heading for their bi-annual shakeup, and it looks like it will start with General Manager Ray Farmer:

It should honestly come as no surprise that Farmer is set to take that long walk down the hall in Berea. His draft record has been fairly unforgivable at through two drafts and 22 total picks.

Notably, Mike Pettine is not named. I don’t think he’s necessarily safe, but I do think there’s a shot that he can keep his job. Even though the Browns have been losing games by a franchise record margin (15.8 points per game on average), there is no denying that the Browns have not quit on Pettine yet. Winning one of the final two games is probably a must for Pettine, but I think he has a chance.

Farmer has been one of the most damaging forces in franchise history. A general manager using 4 first round picks and only adding two starters is uncannily bad. A general manager starting two years of drafts with 22 picks and not completely rebuilding a franchise is unforgivable.

Ouch.

Even though the Browns have been losing games by a franchise record margin (15.8 points per game on average)

I guess the 1999 team was much more talented than this team.