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Was jumping back and forth between our game and the Bengals game.Why wasn't PacMan Jones of the Bengals flagged for taking off his helmet on the field right next to a ref cause he was mad and we lost a game and a chance to go to the playoffs for doing the same thing a few years back only ours was because we were happy we won.
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Why wasn't PacMan Jones flagged for taking off his helmet on the field right next to a ref cause he was mad and we lost a game and a chance to go to the playoffs for doing the same thing a few years back only ours was because we were happy we won. Why was K'Waun Williams flagged for a perfectly legal hit? Easy answer. The Ravens are NFL royalty and it's the refs job to do everything they can to help them win when they are playing the dregs of the league like the Browns. The best weapon the NFL has to protect certain teams is subjective calls. The play K'Waun Williams made today happens in every game at least a half dozen times and it is viewed as a normal, legal football play.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Easy answer. Also the wrong answer.
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Is there a picture or video of the incident?
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Easy answer. Also the wrong answer. I will say it was a questionable call. I'm not a ref, I don't get the supposed training they do, but I think it was, at best, an "iffy" call.
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Easy answer. Also the wrong answer. I will say it was a questionable call. I'm not a ref, I don't get the supposed training they do, but I think it was, at best, an "iffy" call. Right. Refs blow calls all the time in every sport. Fans just think they are against us because they are very biased. I'm sure there are Raven fans saying, "The refs gave the Browns that roughing the passer call because the league wants them to do well for once." If it was ever found out that refs were being directed to make calls in favor of a certain league, the NFL would cease to exist. Take off the foil hats.
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If it was ever found out that refs were being directed to make calls in favor of a certain league, the NFL would cease to exist.
And if you truly believe that, you need a tin foil hat.
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If it was ever found out that refs were being directed to make calls in favor of a certain league, the NFL would cease to exist.
And if you truly believe that, you need a tin foil hat. Maybe I was exaggerating a bit, but it would be much more damaging than having a team that they "like" not get a call.
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The refs are human and many calls are subjective. They are influenced by things such as specific players, specific coaches, who the home team is, who they believe should win, critical points in the game, etc. I think a lot of it is subconscious and not necessarily malicious.
The Williams play wasn't even close to being a penalty. Not in any way shape or form. The ref was influenced by the fact that the Browns were close to beating the Ravens in their house. Something wasn't right, and he was going to right a wrong situation.
I know that sounds far fetched and unbelievable, but like I said these guys are human. And the calls are subjective.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I've seen many a game, especially since I live in Steeler country, where it is evident from the get go that the calls will be in favor of a certain team.
When either Hawkins or Gabriel cauaght a pass in the flats, and after the whistle blows the defender continues to pull him back by his leg, no call. Then later in the game I believe Shelton is called for exactly the same thing. Difference was one was in open field, no call, the other in the pile and even less of an effort.
McCown was thrown down early in the game twice, I believe in the same series. If he is a big name, the call would be instant.
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I agree that the calls are subjective. I just don't think the refs consider the teams when making the call.
I umpired for several years earlier in my life. Refs just blow calls. That was a blown call.
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The president of our Browns Backer's club is always pointing out that some refs give us a harder time because of the bottle throwing incident. While I don't believe that's necessarily true, I do think that the refs themselves have biases that are likely not even conscious.
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If it was ever found out that refs were being directed to make calls in favor of a certain league, the NFL would cease to exist. It does not seem to have hurt the NBA's status with the fans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_DonaghyOf course IMO the FBI didn't check out the league. They only checked out Tim Donaghy
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Why wasn't PacMan Jones flagged for taking off his helmet on the field right next to a ref cause he was mad and we lost a game and a chance to go to the playoffs for doing the same thing a few years back only ours was because we were happy we won. Why was K'Waun Williams flagged for a perfectly legal hit? Easy answer. The Ravens are NFL royalty and it's the refs job to do everything they can to help them win when they are playing the dregs of the league like the Browns. The best weapon the NFL has to protect certain teams is subjective calls. The play K'Waun Williams made today happens in every game at least a half dozen times and it is viewed as a normal, legal football play. K'Waun Williams was flagged for 'hitting too hard'. That play was legal up until the last few years. I hate that call. Was the play over in the bungles game? Rudd threw his helmet before the play was over. The guy that hit McCown took 3 steps (shuffle steps at least) before hitting him. The roughing the QB call is one of the worst calls in football, as it is called differently for the upper echelon QBs more often.
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The refs are human and many calls are subjective. They are influenced by things such as specific players, specific coaches, who the home team is, who they believe should win, critical points in the game, etc. I think a lot of it is subconscious and not necessarily malicious.
The Williams play wasn't even close to being a penalty. Not in any way shape or form. The ref was influenced by the fact that the Browns were close to beating the Ravens in their house. Something wasn't right, and he was going to right a wrong situation.
I know that sounds far fetched and unbelievable, but like I said these guys are human. And the calls are subjective.
I'm with you on the refs being human. I'd go along with wrong calls are made. But the rest of it, I'm not buying into it. That's part of the Whoa is me type thinking that I'm not a party too.
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If it was ever found out that refs were being directed to make calls in favor of a certain league, the NFL would cease to exist. It does not seem to have hurt the NBA's status with the fans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_DonaghyOf course IMO the FBI didn't check out the league. They only checked out Tim Donaghy Right. Donaghy he was rogue official. If the actual league is affecting games one way or another for a team, that is a whole different story.
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Thought that was automatic ref response. Unsportsmanlike call at least. He has had two now for unclear or improper fair catch now, I think.
If it isn't flagged you want one of these displays like every possession on average? Shutting down PacMon would clarify and stop this nonsense. No reason or place for it, and it does NOT enhance The Game.
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Why wasn't PacMan Jones flagged for taking off his helmet on the field right next to a ref cause he was mad and we lost a game and a chance to go to the playoffs for doing the same thing a few years back only ours was because we were happy we won. Why was K'Waun Williams flagged for a perfectly legal hit? Easy answer. The Ravens are NFL royalty and it's the refs job to do everything they can to help them win when they are playing the dregs of the league like the Browns. The best weapon the NFL has to protect certain teams is subjective calls. The play K'Waun Williams made today happens in every game at least a half dozen times and it is viewed as a normal, legal football play. K'Waun Williams was flagged for 'hitting too hard'. That play was legal up until the last few years. I hate that call. Was the play over in the bungles game? Rudd threw his helmet before the play was over. The guy that hit McCown took 3 steps (shuffle steps at least) before hitting him. The roughing the QB call is one of the worst calls in football, as it is called differently for the upper echelon QBs more often. Oh, you are 100% right. Early in the game when the Josh had already thrown the ball and the D lineman reached up and grabbed him by the back of the pads and threw him down... and no call??!! There were easily 3 or 4 unsportsmanlike penalty calls that the Ravens weren't flagged for, and I'm not talking pitty pat stuff either.
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I think Pac-Man said he was waving off his team mate.
He should have been flagged but oh well.
I wish Joe Haden played with that kind of emotion and fire as Pac-Man did
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I think for a Fair catch you have to fully extend your arm up
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I think for a Fair catch you have to fully extend your arm up I always thought it just had to be above your waist...?
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