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Maybe someone who had abetter QBR than 48.1?

I would take Fields over Rodgers and not bat an eye about it. The drama alone that surrounds Rodgers is more of a distraction than this team needs. A guy who is at a point in his career where all he can do is dink and dunk that has no legs left to move doesn't sound appealing to me.

Let a young QB with potential who can escape the pocket and run when he needs to hold down the fort on a temporary basis. At least there's a chance he can still develop and may be a bigger part of the answer than we thought he would be. There's zero chance of Rodgers reviving his career on any long term basis. He's not Tom Brady. Rodgers is done.

How much the Browns can collect in insurance money if Deshaun Watson misses all of 2025

Cory Kinnan
January 10, 2025 12:37 pm ET
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The Cleveland Browns are casting serious doubt on the timetable of quarterback Deshaun Watson after he re-ruptured his Achilles while rehabbing at his home in Miami.

This means their massive $230 million investment likely never takes another snap again in the brown and orange and potentially ever in the NFL. The good news for the Browns, however, is that they had Watson’s contract insured in case the quarterback had to miss significant time due to injury or suspension.

They received some relief this past season for his time missed in 2023, they’ll receive some relief in 2025 for the time he missed this year, and they will see almost his entire salary covered by insurance if Watson cannot take the field at all in 2025.

The Browns have $44.3 million of Watson’s $46 million base salary covered by insurance.

Yes, this means that the Browns will see $44.3 million put back into their cap space. However, this policy would not be cashed out until after the 2025 season, so the Browns would see that total recouped in their 2026 cap space.

After his latest contract restructure, the Browns are on a timeline to cut Watson with a post-June 1 designation after the 2026 season, so expect that money to be rolled over when they do collect it to completely wash out the dead cap burden of $35 million in 2027 and still have some cash left over to spend from the insurance payment.

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2025/01/10/browns-deshaun-watson-contract-insurance-meaning/

Do you mean how the Browns, the Rams and the Panthers all gave up on Baker?

Rodgers will be a first ballot HOF'er based on when he was was great QB. Not the way he is playing now. There's a vast difference between was and is.

The biggest difference I think between us is you want "one year of decent ball". For some reason it seems you feel Haslam and this FO will fix the QB position in a year when so far Haslam hasn't found an answer to that in 14 years of owning this team and this FO hasn't been able to fix it since they have been here. I'm looking for a QB with potential to grow while you're looking for a QB whose skills have him at the door of retirement. It appears you have more faith in the FO fixing the QB position in a year then I do.

If the Bucs had looked at Baker the same way you are looking at Fields, you know, can't get on or stay on the field after going through three teams they may have a five win team with Rodgers instead of going to the playoffs two years in a row now with Baker. And Darnold would never have gotten his shot as a starter either.

While Baker was passed on by Cleveland, Carolina the rams and Carolina. You know, Carolina who had nothing but crap in their QB room.

The Jets fired their coach because they took the side of Rodgers and we saw how that worked out. No real difference because the problem was Rodgers.

We'll see how it plays out. But hopefully they'll sign QB's to compete with some potential moving forward rather than QB's whose best days are far behind them.

I think the "with the Bears and Steelers" part isn't given the weight it deserves. If he'd been a defensive player, sure, he'd have had a solid environment.

The offenses on those teams while he was there could be tried for criminal negligence, though.

Mahomes might have struggled in those offenses.

Let's get you behind the chains by predictably running on early downs with OLs that aren't very good at run blocking (with the worse RB consistently getting more carries, Najee over Warren). Let's run slow developing, simple concepts in obvious passing situations behind OLs that aren't very good at pass blocking, either. Let's occasionally throw a WR screen to our one playmaker (DJ Moore) that opposing teams are keyed in on with an undersized (Mooney) and a disinterested (Claypool) receiver "blocking", typically putting them further behind the chains.

He's definitely not guaranteed to be amazing. But he experienced some coaching malpractice.

I'd like to see what he can do in an offense that occasionally makes sense, and actually schemes guys open.

That sounds an awful lot like the woman that thinks SHE can be the one to fix the bad boy. "This time it'll be different"

Occam's Razor suggests that him failing in the same manner in two separate places makes it far more likely that HE is the failure and not the environments he was put into.

He went 4-2 with the Steelers. In an antiquated offense that was also new to him. With a "number one" receiver that is a head case. Behind some bad tackles. With an OC that wouldn't use their better RB. After most of the reps with the first team during the off-season went to Wilson.

I hope you weren't referring to Stefanski and the Browns? History would say that Stefanski couldn't style the offense to Mayfield's skill set to be successful. He has also failed with Watson and DTR too. Surely you don't believe that Stefanski could take the biggest dual threat of the bunch and suddenly be successful?

Stefanski has had what could be considered success with only 3 QB's. Mayfield in 2020 when he couldn't really coach him because of COVID (giving him the benefit of the doubt). Stefanski certainly screwed that QB up in year 2. Brissett, who can only be classified as a drop back passer in 2022 for 11 games. Flacco in 2023 for 5 games and 1 playoff game, also classified as a drop back passer.

Add in the previous 5 years where he worked almost exclusively with Cousins (another drop back passer), and you have a HC that has had little to no success with a dual threat QB. Fields, Stefanski would destroy him or at least what's left of him.

Are you talking about the same HC who helped lead this team to the playoffs the last season that Baker played here healthy? The same type of results Tampa bay is getting out of him now? The same HC who helped lead this team to the playoffs while being forced to use four different QB's last season? You do realize that in the case of watson that a QB who is throwing the ball inaccurately throws that same way no matter which system he's playing in, right? So Flacco could pick up on, learn and run Stefankski's system in a couple of weeks but watson couldn't do it in years? Do you mean to tell me that after watching the games watson has played in you're blaming what you see on the system?

And DTR? A fifth round project?

I'm certainly glad I'm wearing my hip waders.

Are you seriously using COVID to discredit Stefanski's success in 2020? Good Lord, it's amazing the level some people will stoop to forward their agenda. When Baker was healthy, Stefansky was able to win games with him, period.

Some of those games were picture perfect, too, like the Bengals night game in 2020. The Titans game. Cowboys game, etc.

It's amazing how Schwarts (WR) could have single-handedly altered the very foundation and direction of this franchise on one, single play.