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#2095190 12/03/2024 4:51 AM
by Milk Man
Milk Man
- Winston is still the same guy that threw 30 TDs and 30 INTs in a single season. However, he makes the Browns a watchable product.

Enjoy some more Swenson's during your time here, Jameis.
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#2095205 Dec 3rd a 01:16 PM
by 79Jacketdog
79Jacketdog
Fun Game to watch , however where was our D , where is our running game and I am not sold on Njoku . He drops alot of balls . I feel like with Njoku we fall in love with his potential and not so much his production .
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#2095206 Dec 3rd a 01:19 PM
by superbowldogg
superbowldogg
Originally Posted by Dawg Citizen
Post game thoughts:
*I don't care how many passing yards Winston had, his two pick 6's lost the game.

*Chubb hasn't been the same since being injured.

*Why can't the Browns find a QB in the draft like Nix or Daniels?

* Might as well tank the rest of the season and try to get the #1 overall pick.

Because there was also Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Michael Penix, and J.J. McCarthy in the draft class.

Last year, Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Anthony Richardson, and Will Levis were picked. - none of them look great this year.

IN 2022

Kenny Pickett. - we know what happened to him.

the success rate of a 1st round draft pick is like 20-25%



https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/11/24103804/how-successful-are-quarterbacks-drafted-in-round-1

Round 1 QBs
2010

No. 1 — Sam Bradford (St. Louis Rams)
No. 25 — Tim Tebow (Denver Broncos)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 0
Solid starters: 0
Low-end pro careers: 1
Disappointments: 1

2011

No. 1 — Cam Newton (Carolina Panthers)
No. 8 — Jake Locker (Tennessee Titans)
No. 10 — Blaine Gabbert (Jacksonville Jaguars)
No. 12 — Christian Ponder (Minnesota Vikings)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 1
Solid starters: 0
Low-end pro careers: 0
Disappointments: 3

2012

No. 1 — Andrew Luck (Indianapolis Colts)
No. 2 — Robert Griffin (Washington Redskins)
No. 8 — Ryan Tannehill (Miami Dolphins)
No. 22 — Brandon Weeden (Cleveland Browns)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 1
Solid starters: 1
Low-end pro careers: 0
Disappointments: 2

2013

No. 16 — EJ Manuel (Buffalo Bills)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 0
Solid starters: 0
Low-end pro careers: 0
Disappointments: 1

2014

No. 3 — Blake Bortles (Jacksonville Jaguars)
No. 22 — Johnny Manziel (Cleveland Browns)
No. 32 — Teddy Bridgewater (Minnesota Vikings)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 0
Solid starters: 0
Low-end pro careers: 1
Disappointments: 2

2015

No. 1 — Jameis Winston (Tampa Bay Buccaneers)
No. 2 — Marcus Mariota (Tennessee Titans)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 0
Solid starters: 0
Low-end pro careers: 2
Disappointments: 0

2016

No. 1 — Jared Goff (Los Angeles Rams)
No. 2 — Carson Wentz (Philadelphia Eagles)
No. 26 — Paxton Lynch (Denver Broncos)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 0
Solid starters: 1
Low-end pro careers: 1
Disappointments: 1

2017

No. 2 — Mitchell Trubisky (Chicago Bears)
No. 10 — Patrick Mahomes (Kansas City Chiefs)
No. 12 — DeShaun Watson (Houston Texans)

Future Hall of Famers: 1
Franchise QBs:
Solid starters: 1
Low-end pro careers: 0
Disappointments: 1

2018

No. 1 — Baker Mayfield (Cleveland Browns)
No. 3 — Sam Darnold (New York Jets)
No. 7 — Josh Allen (Buffalo Bills)
No. 10 — Josh Rosen (Arizona Cardinals)
No. 32 — Lamar Jackson (Baltimore Ravens)

Future Hall of Famers: 2
Franchise QBs:
Solid starters: 0
Low-end pro careers: 1
Disappointments: 2

2019

No. 1 — Kyler Murray (Arizona Cardinals)
No. 6 — Daniel Jones (New York Giants)
No. 15 — Dwayne Haskins (Washington)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 0
Solid starters: 2
Low-end pro careers: 0
Disappointments: 1

2020

No. 1 — Joe Burrow (Cincinnati Bengals)
No. 5 — Tua Tagovailoa (Miami Dolphins)
No. 6 — Justin Herbert (Los Angeles Chargers)
No. 26 — Jordan Love (Green Bay Packers)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 4
Solid starters: 0
Low-end pro careers: 0
Disappointments: 0

2021

No. 1 — Trevor Lawrence (Jacksonville Jaguars)
No. 2 — Zach Wilson (New York Jets)
No. 3 — Trey Lance (San Francisco 49ers)
No. 11 — Justin Fields (Chicago Bears)
No. 15 — Mac Jones (New England Patriots)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 0
Solid starters: 1
Low-end pro careers: 1
Disappointments: 3

2022

No. 20 — Kenny Pickett (Pittsburgh Steelers)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 0
Solid starters: 0
Low-end pro careers: 0
Disappointments: 1

2023

No. 1 — Bryce Young (Carolina Panthers)
No. 2 — C.J. Stroud (Houston Texans)
No. 4 — Anthony Richardson (Indianapolis Colts)

Future Hall of Famers: 0
Franchise QBs: 1
Solid starters: 0
Low-end pro careers: 0
Disappointments: 0
Incomplete: 2

Totals
Future Hall of Famers: 3
Franchise QBs: 7
Solid starters: 6
Low-end pro careers: 7
Disappointments: 18
Incomplete: 2

That’s 16 out of 43 drafted quarterbacks currently in the ‘solid starter’ or above category, a hit rate of 37.2%. If you are looking for Hall of Fame or absolute franchise quarterback as your standard, that’s 10 of 43, or 23.3%.
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#2095229 Dec 3rd a 06:10 PM
by leadtheway
leadtheway
I think the biggest issue with First round QB's not panning out have to do with 2 things, Colleges not running NFL systems and getting rushed into service with a ton of pressure to save a franchise. Sometimes going to a wrong team ruins the chance to be successful, Everyone points to the Baker/Allen comparison, Baker was much more NFL ready than Allen, Allen went to a better program in Buffalo and was given tons of support, better coaching and time to figure it out.. The first few years Baker was by far the better QB, Allen then figured it out and he is what he is now, Baker got saddled with an impatient coaching staff, bounced around until he found a home, now both in stable environments with good weapons around, Baker is showing he is still a better QB than Allen, we will see if it persists, but nobody sane would argue we would be better off with Baker and the draft picks than we are right now. Thats the reason bridge QB's exist, but you need a bridge QB that understands that's his role, we brought Tyrod in for Baker but Tyrod wanted no part of doing that, he wanted to start. What sucks is there isn't a single QB worth a 3rd round pick let alone a 1st round in this draft. I think we run it back with Winston/Watson and look for another possible project to replace DTR. Use the draft to fill in some gaping holes so when we do have to draft one they atleast have a chance. Especially oline/rb
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#2095320 Dec 4th a 10:09 PM
by Homewood Dog
Homewood Dog
Originally Posted by OCD
This game our players really left it all on the field. Ski is safe for sure.


And he should be. We outplayed a good team at their house that we never beat. We shredded what everyone said was a very good D that was improving. We lost this game obviously because of TO's. We beat ourselves.
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