Originally Posted by mgh888
We will have to agree to disagree. I think that looks like and smells like a whole bunch of deflection more deflection, and a little bit of deflection thrown in afterwards just for the sake of some more deflection. Again, going from memory the decision and timeline for the Afghanistan withdrawal was made by Trump. Biden chose to stick to that timeline and the military ran its operation and it was a cluster. For sure! I feel that somebody should have been held accountable for that mess, but that is a entirely wholly different scenario then what we are discussing with the use of non-secure communication app to discuss live military operation.

There was a huge stink about the Afghanistan withdrawal. As there should have been.

There should be a huge stink about the use of signal and this complete inept text discretion about the recent military operation. But instead of a huge stink, What I see fox and the right-wing media and the Trump organisation doing is..... Deflect deflect deflect deflect. Deny deny deny. And here you are helping them.

Just how I see it and clearly differently than you do.

Cool story. What was the result of the Afghanistan debacle then? Who was fired? Who was punished? Let me guess... they didn't deflect, deflect, deflect?

Analyzing that mess and coming up with "Trump set the timeline" is like being late for work and blaming aunt Millie because she bought you the alarm clock. But that's what you and your ilk did then, and that's what you're doing now. At the time, Pit whaddabouted into the Iraq and WMDs. Because that's what you all do. Anything bad happens on your side of the fence, well, let's just talk about something worse that happened once about a time. Somehow that fixes anything that goes wrong. Anything bad on the other side, anything, and everyone should be fired, tarred and feathered and run out of the White House.

And I, and anybody else, has every right to discuss it because of comments by idiots like that in the video. HE led an investigation and came up with "let's look at this wholistically, some terrible mistakes were made and some really bad things happened, but hey! we learned some valuable lessons." Nobody fired, nobody reprimanded, Joe Biden looking at his watch on the tarmac while dead patriots are being unloaded, probably past his bedtime. But in this case, heads have to roll -- everyone has to go. Seem a bit hypocritical?

13 Marines killed
Hundreds of US citizens left behind
Terrible planning / worse execution
An administration that prioritized optics over security
Not even enough personnel and resources for an effective withdrawal
An abject FAILURE from an intelligence assessment standpoint
We didn't even protect Afghan allies who supported American forces
You want to talk about national security?? Afghanistan, once again, became a haven for terrorist groups and we handed over $7 billion in U.S. military equipment to the Taliban!
We strained relationships with NATO allies and our credibility was trash

You want to talk about bad intel? What about the intel that said lets hand the Taliban a list of Americans and Afghans we want to evacuate. How 'bout just title it "Kill List"? Idiots.
How 'bout the intel that said LET'S DRONE STRIKE a bus full of citizens in retaliation? The response from the peanut gallery? "Well, it's not like Joe ordered the strike".

^ All that from the Afghanistan withdrawal that this idiot in the video says was a "learning lesson" while he screams for the heads of everyone over this text chain.

And you're going to act like I'm part of the problem for calling it out?? 🤣 I watched you all stick your fingers in your ears and make excuses (almost all, DL was a voice of reason and intellect, maybe a few others), so you'll have to excuse me if I take issue with you implying I'm part of the problem. And you'll have to excuse this rant as I just read all the sob stories in the Afghanistan threads.

So, let's make this not different, let's make this apples to apples, why don't you start with a list of all the bad things that happened here while your calling for everyone's head? I'll wait.