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I suppose I could have specified a little more clearly.

I was beyond mad when this team traded down and didn't select Sammy Watkins last year. We got to 6-4 this past season with a handful of #2 and #3 caliber receivers. A guy like Watkins COULD have been a game changer in one of those losses. He would have contributed a lot more than Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel.

Even in this years draft, we have a roster with a handful of #2 caliber wide receivers and tight ends, and at #19 we went with Cameron Erving instead of Nelson Agholor, R. Perriman, or Devin Smith. Shoot, even in the 2nd round when we picked we had our choice of Maxx Williams, Clive Walford, Jaelen Strong or Sammie Coates. (unless Maxx Williams had already been taken? I can't remember).

I'm not upset with the picks we did make, I think Erving, Orchard and Justin Gilbert can/will end up being good picks when all is said and done.

We've taken two running backs and a handful of offensive lineman, which is fine, but occasionally the need to pass the football will arise and the group of receivers we have are not exactly a threat to beat anyone consistently. In our losses to Baltimore, Jacksonville and Houston we could have greatly benefited from having Watkins (this being before Gordon came back).

I have no complaints about our draft, but I do agree that we probably could have benefited from either Sammy Watkins, or an earlier round WR/TE in this years draft.

I have no problem being a run first, hard nosed defensive style team.

I probably would have loved it more if I knew a lot about these guys. I admit I did not study too many of the guys in this draft.

I like Shelton. Irving? I really don't know.

However, I am happy they used their two first round picks on players rather than trading one--or both--for either Bradford or Mariotta.

Well stated.

I LOL'd. I think "star" receiver and wrapping up a lot of cap into that position is overrated. As long as you have smart, athletes who can give 100 percent every down, you have a solid crew. Case point. Look at the Seahawks and the Pats WRs. I give it to you that the Pats have Brady, though.

In 2011, Houston Texans fans did NOT like the J.J. Watt pick

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By Frank Schwab
12 hours ago

Shutdown Corner

The Houston Texans landed the best player in the NFL with the 11th pick of the draft four years ago, and most of their fans absolutely hated it.

Instant draft reaction might be the most inexact science (hey, have you read Shutdown Corner's draft grades yet?) but it also might be the funniest thing to look back on with hindsight. The Texans' Facebook post when the team drafted Wisconsin defensive end J.J. Watt has been making a comeback on social media four years after the fact (h/t to @NYJUpdates on Twitter) and knowing what we know now, the comments are hilarious.

We've all been wrong about a player, but look at a couple of screenshots and the comments on a player who should have been the NFL's MVP last year:

Not all of the comments are negative (good on you, Tonya Ellison!) but the vast majority of fans' reaction when the Texans drafted J.J. freaking Watt ranged from "ehhhhh, maybe this might be decent" to "I'm never watching football again because of this no-good pick."

There were many, many, many more comments and they ran at about the same approval rate. Here are some other comments that followed on that draft day when the Texans took a potential Hall of Famer with the 11th pick:

"Uh Prince Amakamara?"

"really?? wtf we need a strong safety's and DB's!!! why not Prince?!?!?!"

"Not the right pick. Rick Smith needs to be fired."

"WTF!!!"

"Thanks for the helping the secondary jerks"

"Smh.."

"Boooooooooo! What a waste of a pick!!!!"

"WWWWTTTTTTFFFFFF?!?!"

"What about nick fairly. Oh prince too. Or Jimmy smith. Nah. Let's take j.j."

"Really? That's our first pick in the draft? Defense can use all the help it can get but REALLY???"

"That's why we can't win games now smh bad move"

"Never heard of the guy!!! oh well it is what it is"

"WASTE"

"I wanted prince, we need corners, not DE!!!!"

"We suck again!!!"

"This is terrible unless we make him an outside line backer"

"JJ Watts is garbage!"

"I hate our management"

"Boo! Season ticket sale lost guys. Fairley should have been the pick."

"Watt?! AND THAT'S WHY WE WON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS...AGAIN!"

"Houston blew it as usual."

And on, and on, and on. So if the Texans fans were in charge of the draft, the team would have taken Prince Amukamara, who has become a solid starting cornerback for the New York Giants. It's worth mentioning that Watt has more pick-six interceptions from his defensive end position (one) than Amukamara has at corner (zero).

Just a reminder that even if you hate your team's pick now, you might end up being wrong. Watt's approval rating in Houston is probably a little better than it was four years ago when he was drafted.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdo...-150701705.html


The Screen shots of the draft forum page were pretty funny... but very much like the reactions to our picks this year.. give it a chance.. Shelton and Ervine may just be what is needed..

We didn't draft no JJ. Take that to the bank.

Neither did 31 other teams, that year.

I assume you're trying to make a point here?
Perhaps I assume too much in your case.

Yup. That's probably the safe bet.

My bad.




Carry on (with yo' bad self)....

You amuse me buttercup....

...then you should have made it plainer to us geniuses.....
..."Einstein."

What are you talking about? The vast majority of posters love this draft. Many are saying: "Great pick!" or "I love this pick," on each of our picks.

Perhaps we should go back and revisit all the posts that were made on here after TRich was drafted? How about all those laughable posts that were made that said he was the next Peterson? Greatest pick ever, Etc, etc.

I dislike posts like yours because most of you are overzealous w/your praise.

Btw---------I was the first one to bring up JJ Watt on the boards. I pleaded that we draft the guy. People on the boards scoffed at that notion.

Just sayin'

How many quarterbacks were available to draft last week? Quite a few. Even if he doesn't trade up for Mariota, there were a bunch of QB's he could have taken from the 2nd on down to the 7th. There are a ton of quarterbacks on NFL rosters he could have traded for. Hell, could probably STILL trade for. But he is absolutely SOLD on sticking with McCown and Johnny Rehab. Becasue Farmer and Pettine have convinced themselves that quarterbacks aren't all that important just like receivers aren't. Well, that's his job to make those decisions, and that's fine. But it IS his ASS on the line if they suck.... as it should be. This is a business of RESULTS. Farmer and Pettine are solely responsible for what this team does this year. If we play better than last year... then all is good.. 9 or 10 wins and everyone is happy. Fall back to 5 or 6 wins and I'm not sure they survive. Not sure they SHOULD survive. How many stinking lousy seasons do we have to live through? How many before someone figures out it's pretty damned important to FIND A QUARTERBACK? Seattle found Wilson in the third round. You telling me there were NO quarterbacks available in the 3rd round this year? They had all been taken? Before they found Wilson they traded for Charlie Whitehurst and for that kid that took the Vikings to the playoffs once before Farve showed up.... forget his name. They kept hammering at the position until they found one. Farmer screwed the pooch passing on Bridgewater and Carr last year for Rehab boy and now we are stuck with McCown as our only hope. Woo hoo. He's lost TWICE as many games as he's won. But he's the greatest QB to ever live, right? There are ALWAYS quarterbacks to be had if you're WILLING to make a deal for one. I'll bet we could have had Rivers for the right price. Think of THAT. Rivers under center makes our offense a LOT better right away. Spend a first. Do what it takes. Instead we have a loser and a boozer. And I'm a horrible fan for not jumping for joy, right? lmao

Let me re-phrase my question:

Which QB was Farmer supposed to draft, and at what pick, that were available to us?

We had no chance at Winston and Mariota. None.

Next up was Garrett Grayson, who went at 75. So, we either would have had to have taken him with our 2nd round pick, (a huge overdraft) or somehow traded back uo to get him. (which is never a guarantee)

We took Duke Johnson at 77.

The next QB off the board was my favorite in this draft, outside of the top 2. Sean Mannion went off the board at pick #89. To get him we either would have had to have taken him at 77, or would have had to have traded back almost back into the upper half of the 3rd round for him.

I would have taken Mannion in the 4th, and really like him, but not that high. To me the value just wasn't there. Again, our 2nd 3rd round pick was 7 spots after Mannion went to the Saints.

Now we could have taken Petty with that 2nd 3rd round pick, but would that have been a sensible use of that pick? I don't think so. I would not have taken Petty before the 5th. I also believe that the Browns did not want to have to try to develop a read option or spread QB in addition to the spread QB they are already trying to develop in Manziel. I do think that if they could have drafted one of the QBs they liked at their level, they would have. I cannot argue with them for passing up on those guys where they wound up going.

Anyway, the next QB off the board was Brett Hundley. He went in the 5th, and we did not have a 5th, so we would have had to do one of 2 things ..... either take him in the 4th, or trade up from the 6th. (and we reportedly tried to trade up to the spot where he went, but who knows what player we wanted. We evidently did not continue to try to trade up to ensuing picks, which indicates that Hundley may have been our target, but without a 5th round pick we were unable to move to that spot. You cannot force a team to trade with you, and maybe the Patriots felt that trading down to our 6th round pick was too far to drop. Maybe they already had agreed to a deal with the Packers. The Pats moved from 147 to 166. To trade down with us, they would have had to have gone from 147 to, at least, 189. Maybe they simply did not want to drop that far if they had a choice of trades. Who knows?

So ..... with this in mind, then what QB would you have taken, and where? What would you have given up for that QB? Of the lower round QB, what makes you think that they will beat the extremely long odds, and become a good starting QB? What do you base that on? Please elucidate.