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whats not to like? when healthy Miles Austin is a fantastic player. Can his hammies last? that remains to be seen but I like this signing. Really saw nothing with Bennet and Burleson however.
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QB: Hoyer, Manziel, Shaw
RB: Tate, West, Lewis, Crowell
FB: Pressley
WR: Austin, Burleson, Bennett, Hawkins, Little, Benjamin, Snead (+Ch. Jones +Shaw +C. Johnson)
TE: Cameron, Dray
LT: Thomas
LG: Bitonio/Greco
C: Mack
RG: Pinkston/Gilkey
RT: Schwartz
LE: D. Bryant, B. Winn
NT: Taylor, Kitchen
RE: Rubin, Hughes, Bryant
LOLB: Kruger, Groves
SILB: Dansby, Carder
WILB: Robinson, Kirksey
ROLB: Sheard, Mingo
CB: Haden
CB: Gilbert
Nickle: Skrine
FS: Gipson
SS: Whitner
Man, that's a pretty solid lineup all of a sudden. Pulling Bennett and Austin out of their hats was a big move to improve this team.
Kudos.
From this roster and the other posts, it looks like everyone here is giving Josh Cooper the boot. He made a few good snags last year, but it doesn't appear he'll survive the numbers game.
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I think that our OL will look like it did when it was so effective in the WCO 2 years ago .......
LT Thomas
LG Greco
C Mack
RG Bitonio (The obvious difference)
RT Schwartz
I see no need to change the LG spot to Pinkston, (who can't stay healthy) or to McQuistan. (who is nowhere near as good a pass blocker as Greco)
CBS Sports' drpth chart shows Bitonio at LG, and Greco at RG, but I think that Bitonio will play RG. He is supposed to be a ferocious run blocker, and we want to add some attitude to the OL, and that would see to me to be the spot to do it from.
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Please...let...it...go
You are the ONLY poster on this forum who gives a rats butt about which regime drafted which guy...you are a knowledgeable football guy...go with that.
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I wanted the Browns to pick up Miles Austin to replace Little when FA started.. I felt the Cowboys made a mistake letting him go.. I know they wanted him to resign a cheaper contract.... I'm glad he didn't resign and the Browns have him now....
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I like the Austin signing, because he is a veteran, and I think that we need that veteran influence on a very young WR corps. He has been a #1 receiver in the past, and while it remains to be seen if he can still perform at that level, if he is healthy, then he is our #1 right now. (assuming that Gordon is gone, of course)
I will point out that Shanahan is immensely flexible in his offense. In 2012, when the Redskins had a rookie RG3 under Center, and when they won 10 games and made the playiffs, the Redskins #1 receiver was Pierre Garcon, who played 10 games, had 633 yards, and 4 TD. Was he the difference maker that year?
Their other receivers went as follows:
S. Moss: 573 yards
Hankerson: 543 yards
Morgan: 510 yards
Davis (TE) 325 yards
Paulson (TE) 308 yards
I think that this is the model we will have to follow this year. We don't necessarily have a #1 receiver without Gordon, but we have a bunch of #2 or #3 guys. I do think that Shanahan knows how to work around certain sets of circumstances. It's not an ideal situation, and I am not going to pretend that it is ..... but I think that we can work with, and win with the type of guys we are pursuing. I also believe that we'll probably be able to add another solid veteran type at some point in camp, as an expensive veteran loses his job to a hotshot rookie. Stevie Johnson has already been dumped, and unfortunately we missed out on him. I don't think that he'll be the last veteran WR to be moved by his current team. Too many rookie WRs went too high in this draft for all teams to hold on to expensive receivers. Luckily we can afford those bigger contracts if we have to.
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Same ol', same ol'. It's the battle of alternating regimes. Everything is either "brilliant by a FO we trust" or "idiocy by a FO comprised of stooges."
It's so predictable that it is boring.
It would be nice to find more posters that would actually evaluate each move independently rather than stupid or awesome.
Would you have given up on Botanio for a WR?
The choices were limited, and I believe the front office agreed that OL was a greater need.
I like the signings, especially Austin, he was solid until Bryant hit the scene.
We miss you, Joe.
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The moves of adding Austin and Bennett make the team stronger as a whole. Neither will obviously be able to replace Gordon's impact on the game. They are both guys who will catch the ball though.
It's funny, because I think the Browns are doing a great job of following the model of the Seahawks. They are finding guys who have decent size, who can catch the ball, but aren't great after the catch. Bennett and Austin fit these descriptions perfectly. I'm okay with that, because the Browns need guys who will just move the chains. It's clear that's the type of offense the Browns want.
The only guy who, IMO, has the chance to change the entire WR corp is Charles Johnson. The guy is an athletic freak, was drafted by a WR smart team, and should be motivated to come back strong. If he ever lives up to his physical talent, he could be more valuable than Josh Gordon.
you had a good run Hank.
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There are teams who have made it work without big-name receivers but solid groups as a whole. Having a QB who can really play helps that, as does a very strong running game. If we can manage to get one of those two we can progress as a team with a combination of castoffs, never-wasses and has-beens.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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It would seem that the Browns believe a great running game is the way to go. With Tate, West, and others, there should be plenty of quality running backs to do just that.
you had a good run Hank.
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We don't know the terms of the Austin signing, but I think that if it is a one year deal it is a good signing no matter what. Given the need and what's available I don't see many better moves that could be made.
If something better comes along I don't see how this move would preclude us from further upgrading the position.
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JC...I remember seeing a couple cowboys games this year...Miles Austin looked invisible...but is a high character route savvy guy...great signing for veteran leadership... Hopefully he can show guys the ropes...I think with his re occuring leg or hammy issues took a big tole on his speed...he looked awfully slow compared to his former self...the guys legs are always hampering his on field abilities...a shame.
Far as Earl Bennett... Was pretty famous for never following the dress code per shoes and socks I think... He always wanted the baller shoes lol...always thought he was pretty decent-good...will drop some easy ones here and there... But is a good signing considering there's a high probability that Benjamin Burleson or Hawkins will get injured this year...great signings for what is available with really no down side of signing them
As far as those wanting Holmes...I recall reading so many reports about this guy giving up and milking his injury and becoming cancerous and lazy that the Jets (whom were horrible at wide out) could not wait to cut this guy loose...Holmes is washed up with a pissy attitude...Miles Austin may be washed up as well...but least he tries and has a very respectable character...I wouldn't sign Holmes for the veteran minimum...guy has a lot of question marks and even rumored to be bi polar...no thanks
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JC...I remember seeing a couple cowboys games this year...Miles Austin looked invisible...but is a high character route savvy guy...great signing for veteran leadership... Hopefully he can show guys the ropes...I think with his re occuring leg or hammy issues took a big tole on his speed...he looked awfully slow compared to his former self...the guys legs are always hampering his on field abilities...a shame.
I read that he didn't play at 100% last year or the year before, yet he still played. In his last productive year where he had about 1,000 yards, i think in 2012, he also wasn't 100%. Gotta love that toughness.
Either way, I'm sure the organization has a plan to get him the best shape possible and keep him as healthy as possible. Hamstring issues are not a major concern to me. If anything, it showed the Cowboys lack of depth at WR other than Dez Bryant and the need to put Miles out there IMO, sometimes as a decoy.
I think he will be hungry going into this year knowing that he has a very good chance at being our #1, which he knew he wasn't he past couple of years. Hopefully this translates into him working really hard to get in the best shape possible and showing the Cowboys that they made big mistake in letting him loose.
JMHO
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I agree with you CanadaDawg, and most especially on the last part. Getting people out of the box more and forcing them to perform against us and adjust to our offense should result in more points, maybe a lot more points. Two more scores would have won us a number of games the last two seasons, and preserved leads to give us wins. The Three - And - Out Club that has passed for our offense has killed us too long. We are not effective when we own the ball. This enables running and passing. 
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correct me if im wrong...but would i be wrong to assume that the big year that austin had was in large part because of dez bryant being the one defenses keyed in on?
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correct me if im wrong...but would i be wrong to assume that the big year that austin had was in large part because of dez bryant being the one defenses keyed in on?
Dez Bryant was not in the NFL during Austin's breakout year.
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I agree with you CanadaDawg, and most especially on the last part. Getting people out of the box more and forcing them to perform against us and adjust to our offense should result in more points, maybe a lot more points. Two more scores would have won us a number of games the last two seasons, and preserved leads to give us wins.
The Three - And - Out Club that has passed for our offense has killed us too long. We are not effective when we own the ball. This enables running and passing.
I like the point you made about how we could have won so many more games last year if we could have just one more TD or two. Not to mention our defense not giving up leads in the 4th quarter.
I think it shows you that it isn't being overly optimistic to think that the Browns can contend in the division this year all the way until the end. This year's team definitely has more talent than the 10-6 season and the 8-8 playoff season as well IMO. But they have to prove it.
Even without Gordon, our running game and defense should be drastically improved...and that alone is going to lead to more wins.
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