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I see a trend of us adding some veteran leadership and I like it.
Yeah after the Pettine comments this was why I assumed they signed Burleson.
I've never been impressed with his game, but I'm not a student of the game (more a student of madden if anything). I would be surprised to see him in as our #2 guy.
It is nice to have good caliber people on the squad. I like that Haden now has settled down. I like that Hoyer and Whitner are both Cleveland guys with their heads on straight. Joe Thomas is well he's Joe Thomas and thats awesome on and off the field.
Having guys personalities rub off on guys with issues like Gordon and Little would be great. Alonzo Mourning did that for Little but I think it was more about on the field and avoiding social media. I'm not sure if anyone can influence Gordon to be a better player, he is already spectacular, but I like the idea of having guys around that might maybe save a guys personal life from going to hell. 78% of these guys are bankrupt 5 years after they retire, having mentally solid dudes around is just a sensible thing to do.
Edit: I found this funny from the Earl Little wikipedia page. He was picked up by the Browns off waivers from the Saints on October 26, 1999. He spent 6 seasons with the Browns until being cut on April 1, 2005.
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Yeah, I'm coming around on this signing. I didn't have feelings one way or another on it when it happened, but with likely a young QB coming in to be the leader of the team, we will need guys like Burleson to help steer the ship. Glad to hear he's such a positive guy. 
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I'm gonna fly in low with expectations for Burleson...
It's probably not fair, but I learned my lesson after Bess. I know their situations are totally different, but I don't attribute everything that happened with Bess in his personal life to how it played out on the field. I just think the guy was as good as he was in his first 2 years...
I was a guy who thought Bess would be a good fit for the Browns. Possession guy, good hands, chain mover. He wasn't any of it, save for one game against Baltimore.
I will say that I'd rather have Burleson than Bess, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
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yeah, I agree ER19.
Lets get a #1 QB or RT, or RG or ILB or CB2 before we worry about getting a #2 WR in case our #1 gets hurt
You don't go get a potential superstar WR in case your current #1 gets hurt, you get a potential superstar #2 because you play them 2 or 3 at a time and teams play with 4 or 5 DBs and you try to make them guess who to double and roll coverage toward. This whole conversation got derailed when somebody made the comment about, "it would be great to have Watkins if Gordon went down".. that's not why you draft Watkins, it's just a bonus that if your #1 goes down, your #2 might be as good as most teams #1....
You mention CB2 as a need.. well you draft a WR2 for the same reason you draft a CB2 higher in the draft... for the record, Skrine might be better than any WR2 option we have right now.. yet you claim CB2 as a need...
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Going into a draft and drafting to replace a player who MIGHT get hurt is assinine. Any player can get hurt, to use that logic to draft players would be foolish.
At the top of the draft you try to find the real difference makers.. who is that difference maker? Is it Mack, is it Watkins, is it Bridgewater, is it Clowney? I don't know, could be any of them based on who is available... If you think it's Watkins and he's available, then you draft him.. there are worse things than having 2 pro-bowl WRs.. doesn't minimize the need for a QB to get them the ball but if you aren't confidant that any are worthy of the #4 pick, then don't spend the #4 pick on a reach..
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Yeah, I'm coming around on this signing. I didn't have feelings one way or another on it when it happened, but with likely a young QB coming in to be the leader of the team, we will need guys like Burleson to help steer the ship. Glad to hear he's such a positive guy.
Pretty much my take too. He's a low risk signing at a position of need. Like a no roster spring training invitee in baseball. What's to lose? Was hoping for a couple of more of those, especially at RB, ILB, S and CB.
With that said: did he catch the pizza on that all out play or did he drop it?
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Veteran leadership is important and looking at the players the Browns have added via free agency, Pettine and Farmer feel the same way.
Nate Burleson sounds like a good fit at WR...
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We've been needing a guy like this for years.
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I agree dub....the guy has been a solid addition to teams for years. Not the great player, but you don't stick as long as he has and not get it done in practice and games.
I doubt we are paying him much over veteran minimum. I am sure it is a bit over because the guy is a solid vet and we have him for one year, but I can say I'd rather see him, with the game on the line, and the ball headed in his direction, over Little.
Little has soft hands for a back. He can catch back passes where not much thought has to go in to shaking a corner or running a exacting route 15, 20 yards down the field.
I know the guy was a running back before...maybe we think about moving him there again?
No, he won't beat out Tate as an example, but maybe he is a better fit over Obi as a 3rd and long back. Maybe he is a H back....he has shown some ability and desire to block.
I guess what I am saying is before you just toss aside a guy with talent, maybe you explore option B. Maybe he goes back to runningback and is valued in some role.
Moving him to receiver may have been the thing to do while he was in collge. Maybe now it is time to move him back?
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Last vet WR we got like this was JJ
Again we all are too involved with the Number "2".
We might be a running team - well at least more than last year. It will not surprise me to see Little out there as the Z WR or even the X WR rather than saying 1 n 2 say what it is. He's beastly in his run blocking. When we got to go with a Slot WR or get into 4 WR or double TE ??? Burelson can come out wide as the Z WR and Little moves in to the Slot or Hawkins...we have a lot of looks out there. Gordon, Little, Hawkins, Cameron and Burleson then throw in some Benjamin who was developing into that weapon before the injury.
We might draft a WR but I'm thinking its got to be a big time STEAL as a BPA for us to do so.
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I remember back when Burelson played for the Vikings...had a lot of Randy Moss esque type of plays...oddly enough he always appeared bigger than what he was listed at...least from what I remember...maybe not the big time free agent signing I hoped for...but considering he came cheaply and is not a known cancer And has a lot of experience... Very good signing at this point in FA...
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JC Here's a big stat from 2013. The guy catches most everything thrown his way. That is what we need.
Burleson 39 catches 53 targets
G. Little 41 catches 99 targets
D.. Bess 42 catches 86 targets
K Durham 38 catches 86 targets (this was Burleson's replacement. awfully Bess-Like, eh?)
Now, we could try to attribute that difference to the QB. But, like Durham, look at Gordon and MegaTron
Gordon 87 catches 159 targets
MegaTron 84 catches 156 targets
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In 2010 he caught 73 of 110 (66%). I hope he still has some gas in his tank because I'd love to see something like that here.
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If he's what he was. Its a SOLID signing. Hed be a great #2 with Hawkins in the slot.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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JC Here's a big stat from 2013. The guy catches most everything thrown his way. That is what we need.
Nice stats. He said in the radio interview that he also will work the middle. We need someone who isn't afraid to cross into the middle and make a catch. I'm really starting to warm up to this signing here with Nate.
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