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If true I like it...Marshall has played some FS last season, so maybe we target him for that...he's a strong Nickel-CB and decent no2...a better, more experienced and versatile version of Patterson
Colston...well you know how I feel about him...my no1 target
Hawthorne is a very prodcutive and versatile 4-3 LB...he's 26yo, so in his prime, plenty of experience, fighting his way up as a UDFA I think....reminds me of Dqwell, can play both MLB and WOLB
As for Martin..he's the "elite" version when it comes to RT/G prospects...would not draft him at 4 at all but maybe the FO sees no other way to fill RT from day 1...and I would agree...they probably didn't like the tape on Glenn or Adams and even guys like Schwartz aren't day 1 ready or immediate upgrades...FA doesn't deliver much either, so ranking Martin this high could be a case of need pushing a prospect up the board...maybe after trade down but still don't like the idea of a RT as our 1st pick of this draft
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Hillis was a beast both as a power runner and a receiver when healthy last year. At other times, he played hurt but was much less effective. He wore down late in the season, averaging 3.2 yards per carry or less in four of his last six games, and delivering only 41 of his 477 receiving yards in the final four games.
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/20...n#ixzz1oM0HzZNa
Do a Google search on Hillis wearing down. There's just too much smoke to say there can't be a fire.
Let me re-write this accurately.. because a lot of it is conjecture and some of it is just wrong...
Hillis was a beast both as a power runner and a receiver when healthy last year. At other times, he played hurt but was much less effective. He had 4 games with a 5.0 ypc or better average and two of those occurred in the final 6 weeks of the season. He averaged over 4.1 ypc in the final 6 weeks, just off his season 4.4 ypc average. In the week 17 blow out against the Steelers, he was dinged up and wasn't utilitzed much because the Browns fell behind 31-3 at halftime and Colt McCoy threw the ball 41 times while the Browns only rushed 13 times.
And I don't need to do a google search.. shear volume of reporting regarding something subjective doesn't mean much since most of these hacks are writing articles and using each other as sources... He was dinged up.. dinged up does not equal worn down..
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And I don't need to do a google search.. shear volume of reporting regarding something subjective doesn't mean much since most of these hacks are writing articles and using each other as sources... He was dinged up.. dinged up does not equal worn down..
I agree on both accounts. Hehe, saw with my own two eyes.
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But by your logic:
You could use your first round pick on another player and draft a QB in the 6th like New England did if it's that easy ...
Are we talking about Mike Wallace or Tom Brady?
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Never said he'd sign a 10 year deal
True, your actual words were: He isn't old (25) and could have another decade left of solid play.
If you weren't suggesting that he would play that decade with the Browns, why use THAT word?
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... but part of "spending" a pick on a player is the fact that they have longevity. If that weren't true then you wouldn't hear about LB's and RB's having a short shelf life and that being a reason why they slip in the draft ...
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Ok ... then let's be specific and not "ballpark" this. Mike Wallace didn't run a 4.45 ... he ran a 4.33. That's a little bit different.
Not quite because you don't have to have a WR running 4.33 speed to stretch the field and get behind the secondary. I would say that 4.45 or even 4.50 speed is plenty enough to be effective as a deep threat in the NFL.
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How many WR's have run a 4.33? (Besides none on our team?) Well ... since 2006 there have been 5 guys ahead of Wallace in the 40 (at the combine).
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Jacoby Ford, Yamon Figurs, Heyward-Bey, Jason Hill, Chad Jackson.
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Not exactly as easy as you make it out to be to find his caliber of speed.
So, there is such a large difference between 4.33 and 4.36? And at 6'-4"
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They'll be as NFL ready as a receiver is ready who can catch a football. And they'll be as NFL ready as Mike Wallace was in his rookie season. Mike Wallace isn't as good in his rookie season as A.J. Green or Julio Jones were as rookies last year.
Let's look at what you're saying. Mike Wallace is worthy of a first round selection, putting him in the same realm as A.J. Green and Julio Jones. I don't think any GM worth their salt would give Putzburgh their first round pick for him. It's laughable.
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So you're saying that rookies are instantly as good as 3 to 4 year vested players? That there's no such thing as WR's making the jump in their 2nd or 3rd year?
I'm saying that there are future NFL players that will get drafted in April that will be better than what the Browns have on the roster now and who will be better WRs than Mike Wallace.
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And you're also lumping top 5-ish picks (Green and Jones) as the same as the 22nd overall .. where we could get .,.. what? Kendall Wright? Alshon Jeffrey? Michael Floyd? All are raw and have major concerns. What would be laughable is saying you would prefer a rookie who never took an NFL snap to a guy who's already been to the probowl and keeping a straight face.
Or Mike Wallace, who was drafted in the third round by Putzburgh in 2009. I dare say that any (or all) of those receivers (Wright, Jeffery, or Floyd) would be better than Mike Wallace. Yeah, I think I might choose one or two of them before giving the #22 overall pick to a division rival for a speedy WR. I'd rather use that #22 pick on Stephen Hill if he's available.
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What has Stephen Hill proven in an NFL offense? NOT as fast (ran slower) - "arguably" better hands? The guy who only had over 4 catches in a game once this year? The guy who had one touchdown after Sept. 24th? Yeah he has upside .. but come on. He can't be a game changer against Kansas, Virginia, or Miami. You really think he's as good as a pro-bowler?
Yeah, I think so. I also think he'll have a better NFL career than Mike Wallace. As for Hill's lack of catches, he was in a system that didn't rely on the passing game. Their starting QB threw 150 passes the ENTIRE season! The team, including the backup and adding in the trickeration plays only brought the total up to 167 passes for the ENTIRE TEAM for an ENTIRE SEASON!
Damn you're stupid! Just plain ignorant!
Stephen Hill only caught 28 of those passes (82 completions for the entire team) but he took those 28 passes for 820 yards (29.3 ypc). For his entire career, he caught only 49 passes but for 1248 yards or 25.5 ypc!
Let's look at GT's passing during those 3 years! In 2009, the ENTIRE team threw just 168 passes! In 2010, they threw another 168 passes as a team! As indicated, they only passed the ball 167 times last year! That's passes, not completions!
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Tell me I'm wrong and disagree - fine. But to say you would rather have Stephen Hill hands down who two months ago was a late round sleeper at best and then say I'M the laughable one?
Seriously?
Yeah, seriously!
For comparison's sake, let's look at the Ole Miss Rebels seasons while Mike Wallace was there.
2006: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/145/year/2006/ole-miss-rebels
2007: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/145/year/2007/ole-miss-rebels
2008: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/145/year/2008/ole-miss-rebels
So, Mike Wallace had 24 receptions in 2006 on a team that threw the ball 280 times,
In 2007, he increased his receptions to 38 on a team that increased it's passing attempts to 391.
Then, in 2008, he increased his receptions to 39 on a team the lowered it's passing attempts to 340.
So much better than Stephen Hill!  Never once, in all the games that I've seen, have I seen Mike Wallace stretch out to make a catch.
Yeah, I think Stephen Hill, coming from a less capable passing team, will do much better than Mike Wallace as an NFL player.
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3200 yards and 24 TDs in 3 seasons? That's a pony I'd love to have.
I disagree. Wallace is legit and I think is actually just hitting his prime.
If we have the opportunity to give up our #22 for him, I do it in half a second. Wallace is an elite WR... Better to have a guy with one good season and two great ones under his belt than someone who you don;t know will make it in the NFL.
I agree. Give me Mike Wallace for our 22nd in a heartbeat.
Weaken the Steelers, strengthen the Browns, don't need to wait for a rookie WR to learn the ways of the NFL and Mike Wallace is an established Pro Bowl vet entering his prime. Who cares about the $$$...we're way under the cap.
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If that was the case yes but consensus is that the teams original pick is the one that would be forfeited when they have more than 1.
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If that was the case yes but consensus is that the teams original pick is the one that would be forfeited when they have more than 1.
Booo....what happens if we were to trade with the Rams for #2 and retain our #22 then. We wouldn't have our original first rounder.
I remember hearing that also....but it would seem like we should be able to pick if we had two first rounders. Either way, someone is going to steal Wallace away from them. The Bears need a WR and they have a mid-to-late pick to waste.
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Everyone says it has to be original draft pick although several of us have reviewed the latest CBA and it simply doesn't say anything about WHICH pick goes. Must be a rule somewhere in some addemdum, or secret document we can't see ... Only problem with making a offer is it only works well against a cap strapped team like the Steelers if the offering team has a lot of cap space they want to burn. The offer can be matched but can't be modified by original team, so we wouldn't want it "cap friendly" for us to make it harder for them to match. Front loaded with tons of cap space used this year would be the posion pill for them.
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Agree that we cannot find confirmation but it must be laid out somewhere.
As for trading our #4 so that we don't have our original pick... I seem to remember hearing something years ago that if you do not have your own 1st round pick then you cannot sign the player. But that is a vague memory of something I kind of sort of remember hearing.
We would be in perfect position to sign Wallace away from the Steelers (assuming he would want to play here) because we have a lot of cap space this season. We would be able to heavily front load the contract to make it very cap unfriendly this year. Say a $10 mil roster bonus for this season. That would be a $10 mil cap hit this year plus his salary.
The key would be that Wallace would want to come to Cleveland. But why would he: 1 - leave a team that averages 12 wins a season for one that averages 12 loses per season (estimates), 2 - go from a team with a strong armed qb who loves to sling it deep for a team with a noodle armed qb that prefers to check down?
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Are we talking about Mike Wallace or Tom Brady?
Does it matter? If it was that easy to find talent anywhere in the draft ... why aren't HOF QB's always selected in the 6th? Why aren't #1 WR's always 3rd round picks? The point is it doesn't matter where they WERE drafted ... it's what they add now.
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True, your actual words were: He isn't old (25) and could have another decade left of solid play.
My point being that Phil Savage would trade for guys who at BEST CASE would play another 2 to 3 seasons. Wallace hasn't peaked. We bring him in and have his rights to do as we please with. He is 25. Not 32. He could play another decade. Whether or not we have that all locked in doesn't matter any more than we should expect Joe Thomas to leave because we don't have him signed to a 10 year deal either ...
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And these just prove my point.
No ... they refute it. You said it was easy to find burners. Wallace is the sixth fastest since 2006 - as far back as the records I checked were .... not exactly some "easy to find" speed.
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So, there is such a large difference between 4.33 and 4.36? And at 6'-4"
First off yes. I could go into more detail because that's not the only point ... but to be simple - yes.
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I'm saying that there are future NFL players that will get drafted in April that will be better than what the Browns have on the roster now and who will be better WRs than Mike Wallace.
No kidding or teasing. This is a bold statement. I hope you are right ... but why do we think that? What WR have the Browns drafted ... since the return that is better than Wallace? Please name them.
What WR OTHER THAN DESEAN JACKSON has Heckert drafted who is better than Mike Wallace. I am not being a jerk I seriously want to know. Wallace is a good player regardless of the team. Best all time? No. Hall of fame? No. But stop looking through brownie colored glasses. He is a guy who can run almost the entire tree... can stretch the field or catch a pass and outrun the would be tackler for yards. I would love to see him in a west coast where he could have after the catch ability.
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Or Mike Wallace, who was drafted in the third round by Putzburgh in 2009. I dare say that any (or all) of those receivers (Wright, Jeffery, or Floyd) would be better than Mike Wallace. Yeah, I think I might choose one or two of them before giving the #22 overall pick to a division rival for a speedy WR. I'd rather use that #22 pick on Stephen Hill if he's available.
By saying putzburgh you make it seem like what? You think that their players aren't good? I like Wright. I could like Jeffrey. I LOVE Floyd. But those guys have a combined 0 catches against NFL defenses and NFL style coverages. Wallace has proven that he can not only make it as a player and a starter but that he is a pro bowl caliber player who can stretch the field. I am not arguing that those guys won't be better ... but for all of the risk and bust potential of any WR (not to mention the Weight issues - DUI's - lack of size - etc from the guys you mentioned) why not get the one that is - literally - proven?
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Yeah, I think so. I also think he'll have a better NFL career than Mike Wallace. As for Hill's lack of catches, he was in a system that didn't rely on the passing game. Their starting QB threw 150 passes the ENTIRE season! The team, including the backup and adding in the trickeration plays only brought the total up to 167 passes for the ENTIRE TEAM for an ENTIRE SEASON!
So ... Because he showed signs of flash on a bad passing team he is automatically good? Well Then punch Greg Little's ticket to Canton!
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Damn you're stupid! Just plain ignorant!
What's the old line about insulting others when you don't have enough brains to defend your own arguments? :P
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Stephen Hill only caught 28 of those passes (82 completions for the entire team) but he took those 28 passes for 820 yards (29.3 ypc). For his entire career, he caught only 49 passes but for 1248 yards or 25.5 ypc!
Let's look at GT's passing during those 3 years! In 2009, the ENTIRE team threw just 168 passes! In 2010, they threw another 168 passes as a team! As indicated, they only passed the ball 167 times last year! That's passes, not completions!
By comparison, Andrew Luck completed 162 passes as a freshman, or nearly as many passes as the ENTIRE team attempted!
Anyone who can look at numbers knows that stats can be manipulated to say anything. Without even trying that hard I can say that Hill benefited from a gameplan where the defenders played the run first so he never faced a double coverage and therefor used his 6'4 size to catch the occasional pass.
You could say that the other team would essentially "fall asleep" on the passing game and he would pull in a catch or two here and there. It doesn't mean he was good ... that's just your opinion (and mine - I like the guy a bit ... but in no way think he's ready).
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Yeah, seriously!
For comparison's sake, let's look at the Ole Miss Rebels seasons while Mike Wallace was there.
2006: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/145/year/2006/ole-miss-rebels
2007: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/145/year/2007/ole-miss-rebels
2008: http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/stats/_/id/145/year/2008/ole-miss-rebels
So, Mike Wallace had 24 receptions in 2006 on a team that threw the ball 280 times,
In 2007, he increased his receptions to 38 on a team that increased it's passing attempts to 391.
Then, in 2008, he increased his receptions to 39 on a team the lowered it's passing attempts to 340.
So much better than Stephen Hill! Never once, in all the games that I've seen, have I seen Mike Wallace stretch out to make a catch.
Yeah, I think Stephen Hill, coming from a less capable passing team, will do much better than Mike Wallace as an NFL player.
Well that would be nice if it had anything to do with my argument ... which it doesn't.
I'm not arguing about drafting the OLE miss Rebels Mike Wallace over Stephen Hill ... that would be silly.
I'm arguing it makes more sense to spend a late first rounder on a guy who has REAL NFL PRODUCTION as compared to wasting it on a guy where statistics and odds aren't in his favor anyways. Then throw in the fact that he is extremely raw - hasn't played in a real offense where he will face defenses covering him ... and I say maybe he succeeds but it isn't as likely that what we know about Stephen hill from THIS point forward has better odds than what we know about Mike Wallace from this point forward.
I feel like it's bad enough you lost in the argument ... but now you're trying to change it and talk about Wallace three to 5 years ago. His college stats are meaningless now that he has real NFL production. Something Stephen Hill doesn't have.
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And I don't need to do a google search.. shear volume of reporting regarding something subjective doesn't mean much since most of these hacks are writing articles and using each other as sources... He was dinged up.. dinged up does not equal worn down..
Gonna come at this from another angle. Clearly I don't agree with you.
Tell me what happened to Kosar...
We know he was released at the age of 30. At the time (for those of us old enough to remember it) people were outraged. However, it didn't take long for people to come to the sad realization that when Bellyache said he was cut because of diminishing skills, he was right. Now it's widely accepted that Kosar had lost his effectiveness because of the number of hits he'd taken over the years. Those hits created injuries, and injuries wore him down to the point he wasn't effective.
So, to that end, I pose this question: What's the effective difference?
One argument is that he lost yards because he played against better defenses. I can counter that by arguing he put up inflated yards by playing lesser defenses. I'd have to go back and look at the defenses to see how well that stands up, but if we can use a good defense to defend poor yardages, it then becomes absolutely fair to question if a players numbers were inflated because he played against bad ones.
I'd also make the case that big bruising backs take more punishment than faster, shiftier guys. It's a fact that power backs last less time than the shiftier kind. Is that because of endurance? Of course not. Therefore, injuries plays a role in the equation.
It's all somewhat subjective, and I cannot buy any theory that says all the stories written by all the people are simply caused by a bunch of parroting causing the rumormill to spin out of control. Even before the rib injury, just watching Hillis showed a guy who was slowing down.
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Giants Willing to let McKenzie Walk He's been one of the top RTs in the league over the past 8 years or so. I'd still want us to draft a player at that position, but I think he would be a quality pickup for us. The New York Giants had to make some tough personnel decisions before beginning their Super Bowl-winning season in 2011, saying goodbye to receiver Steve Smith and offensive linemen Rich Seubert and Shaun O’Hara. Now general manager Jerry Reese is off to a similar start to 2012, as right tackle Kareem McKenzie reportedly is the next one on his way out of town.
McKenzie, who is due to become a free agent on March 13, has been informed by the team that he won't be offered another contract, according to The Bergen Record.
McKenzie, 32, was a linchpin on both of Tom Coughlin's Super Bowl winning teams in 2007 and 2011. He has started 153 of 161 career games in the NFL.
The Giants are banking on the right side of the line being held down by emerging guard Mitch Petrus and second-year tackle James Brewer out of Indiana.
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He's played all 16 games in 4 out of the last 5 seasons ...... that alone would put him ahead of Pashos. 
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James Brewer out of Indiana
since you refused to pat yourself on the back, then I will. this was the guy you really wanted the Browns to take last year for RT and the Giants (who have been really good at scouting OL over the years) now are relying on him to be their starting RT.
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Only because I injured myself last time I did it.
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He's played all 16 games in 4 out of the last 5 seasons ...... that alone would put him ahead of Pashos.
Heck even playing in ONLY 16 games the last 5 seasons would seem more than Pashos! 
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He's played all 16 games in 4 out of the last 5 seasons ...... that alone would put him ahead of Pashos.
Depending on where we are in the draft, this guy is a decent option. He is an OKAY RT. Not good and definitely not a long-term solution. Definitely the weakest link on the Giants OLine last year.
I'd rather draft someone to fit the role, but picking up him as insurance wouldn't be a bad call. He's 32 i think?
Not much better than Pashos but he has stayed healthier, and he is better, esp pass blocking. Definitely not an all-pro or anything though
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What's amazing about them letting a talent like McKenzie go is that they simply plug in another guy..
That's not to say that this Brewer guy will match up to what McKenzie was able to do,, but apparently they think so.
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Dude is a great Run Blocker but a below average Pass Blocker plus he'll be 33 yrs old in a couple of months. I'll pass.
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Who wants to talk linebacker . . . ?
OLB
Erin Henderson
Rocky McIntosh
Philip Wheeler
Wesley Woodyard
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Stephen Tulloch
David Hawthorne
Curtis Lofton
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Hawthorne can play OLB too.
I'd go Erin or Hawthorne though I think both are likely to re-sign.
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McKenzie sucks and Brewer hasn't even played a down of NFL football yet
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CAN THIS DAY GET ANY WORSE!? Quote:
Browns won’t be in on Mario Williams sweepstakes
Posted by Evan Silva on March 8, 2012, 4:14 PM EST
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Wishful-thinking Clevelanders may have hoped the Browns would enter the post-March 13 bidding for free agent Mario Williams. The Browns certainly could use pass rusher to alleviate some offensive attention from impressive 2011 second-round pick Jabaal Sheard.
But G.M. Tom Heckert strongly indicated Thursday that the Browns won’t be going after Williams.
“We’re not gonna go crazy in free agency,” said Heckert, via Steve Doerschuk of the Canton Repository. “We’re not gonna do it. Personally, I don’t think there is a Reggie White in free agency.”
The Browns do have two top-25 picks in this year’s draft. Perhaps they’ll use one on a pass rusher, because it sure doesn’t sound like they’ll be paying big money to an unsigned veteran.
Anyways I really hate this form of journalism...
"We probably won't be doing that."
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Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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well, getting Super Mario is a long-shot anyway, but I would have liked to think we would try for him.
but, if the plan is to draft a RDE and to sign Flynn to make sure we have the full complement of draft picks to utilize, then I'm okay with it.
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Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Wario Williama?
Blazing Saddles reference?
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Wario Williama?
Blazing Saddles reference?
EDIT: I just noticed my typo... Not Williama, Williams, Wario Williams, Mario's Evil Relative...
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Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I would go hard after Mario but hey if Heckert can find another young DE to start opposite Sheard that can really rush the passer, go for it. rookie contract versus 90 million over 7 years with about 30 to 40 guaranteed. I can definately understand his thinking on this one.
Only question is DE at 37 or 22??
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i'm not up to date on my mario apparently
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Additionally, we don't know how his recovery from a season ending injury is going. What was that injury anyway?
How old is he? If we feel we are 2-3 years from being competitive does his age come into play?
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Like we had a chance at signing him anyway.
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I'd rather see a f.o. say they're not pursuing the high profile free agents than have them say they are after them and get shot down left and right.
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Brandon Lloyd hints he might take less money to play for Pats Report: Finnegan “recruiting” Vincent Jackson for possible package deal NFL teams wary of Marques Colston in free agencyPosted by Evan Silva on March 8, 2012, 5:12 PM EST Free agent Marques Colston has been one of the NFL’s most productive wide receivers over the past six seasons. He’s averaged 75 catches for 1,040 yards and eight touchdowns per year. But Colston isn’t your typical “No. 1 receiver.” While blessed with a large catch radius, impressive body control, and ideal size (6-foot-4, 225), Colston does not create separation in the perimeter passing game and has spent much of his career playing slot receiver in the league’s most pass-heavy offense. According to Dan Pompei of the Chicago Tribune, “some personnel men” around the NFL have reservations about Colston’s ability to stay so productive in another system. He has played in a dome, and for a team with an annually high-octane offense that racks up yards and points. Colston’s quarterback, Drew Brees, doesn’t miss. He’s led the league in completion rate in three consecutive seasons. A late-February story from Greg Bedard of the Boston Globe hinted at similar concerns. Citing NFL scouts, Bedard’s report suggested fellow Saints free agent receiver Robert Meachem “could have a bigger impact than Colston elsewhere.” Meachem, of course, has been much less productive than Colston in New Orleans. Long-term durability is another concern. The free agent has undergone at least six known surgeries in his NFL career, five of which have been on Colston’s knees. He turns 29 in June. Colson’s is not expected back with the Saints.
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I wouldn't mind Meachem, but they should probably note his injury concerns as well.
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I really think we should look at Carl Nicks if he hits FA. Guy is a stud and it would let Pinkston grow a little more if Steiny is able to come back 100%.
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We have two league average starting guards that are still playing with their rookie contracts. It makes no sense to give Nicks the biggest contract ever for an offensive linemen in our situation.
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We have two league average starting guards that are still playing with their rookie contracts. It makes no sense to give Nicks the biggest contract ever for an offensive linemen in our situation.
what if he was willing to agree to take a contract the same value as Steinbach's? then, we let him go as he's injured and plug Nicks in letting Lauvao and Pinkston battle for the other OG spot.
probably would cost more unfortunately (though he won't make as much as Joe Thomas even on the open market)
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From everything I've read he wants to be the highest paid guard in the league.
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I really think we should look at Carl Nicks if he hits FA. Guy is a stud and it would let Pinkston grow a little more if Steiny is able to come back 100%.
That would be a ridiculous amount of money tied up in guards. We won't possibly go after Nicks.
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