There has been some speculation in the media that if the Browns decide to seek a veteran QB, one of their options would be Michael Vick. If that ends up being the case, would you be able to cheer, root for, and wholeheartedly support him as a Cleveland Brown?
I'll put you down for somewhere between "Yes, reluctantly" and "No". I know its a difficult thing to have mixed feelings about a team you love - I experienced that back in the Belichick Era. It was miserable ... I couldn't stand the coach, but that was my team out there. I have heard and read comments from people who say they don't care if Adolf Hitler is out there, as long as he wins. I just can't do that (and before someone says it - no, I am not comparing what Vick did to Hitler's atrocities).
Quote: Yes, enthusiastically. He would be the Quarterback of the Browns, which means I would cheer for him.
Exactly, if he were winning games for the Browns and taking us to the playoffs everybody on here would cheer for him...regardless of what they say now.
GO BROWNS!! If you're a real fan, gut-wrenching defeat is not something you discard a team for -- it's something that fuels your lunatic devotion.
Yes. Without a doubt. And, I hope we do show some interest in him.
And to the guys who say they wouldn't root for him, and would find another team to watch while he was on our team. If we would happen to sign him, and you honestly do start watching another team, then I think I can speak for everyone when I say, don't come back when he's gone.
Life, how you live it and the examples you set are much bigger than the game of football. That said, Vick seems to show remorse and paid the price for his crimes. Unless he screws up again, I'd root for him in a Brown's uniform.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
I wouldn't follow another team; I'd just go back to being a dispassionate observer, like the years we didn't have a team. As far as "coming back when he's gone" ... don't take this wrong, Top, but I don't particularly care if you and others would welcome me back or not. You only get to define your own fanhood, not mine.
Remorse for his crimes or regrets that he got caught? Its not like he's only screwed up once. He was accused of and sued for having unprotected sex with a woman without telling her he had herpes - he settled out of court. He lied to his team's owner, the commissioner, law enforcement, evaded taxes, took part in a criminal conspiracy, committed unspeakable acts of cruelty to dogs. All those things, taken as a sum, are not just "a mistake"; it is a pattern.
He spent time in the slammer and paid his dues. I believe people can turn their lives around....actually my career is based on that belief. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt unless he screws up again.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Not at all. He willfully committed a felony crime and received the punishment determined by our legal system. He didn't get a slap on the wrist, he did his time and paid his price to society. I wouldn't be singing this tune if he'd gotten off lightly.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
Really, the only way that he could pay the price would be if he were to be thrown into a pack of hungry wolves and let them tear him to shreds. Then he would know what it feels like.
That would be a good punishment for him. Even if I was okay with him as a person( which I'm not),I still think he sucks as a Q.B. He was never an accurate passer or able to read a defense and so many football fans think he is/was a great Q.B.
I think that Mike Vick paid his debt to society. I think that if he still has the skills to compete in the NFL, then he should be able to do so. I think its important that criminals are able to move on with their lives, and entering the work force is part of that. I don't think that that only should include certain jobs.
If their skills qualify for a particular job---then by all means. The only place I would see a problem with this would be sex offenders working near children---obviously, no matter how qualified a health teacher you are---you blew that one.
Killing some dogs, and even betting on it isn't so bad in my book.
Don't get me wrong---I love dogs, and it would sicken me to see dogs injured for entertainment. I saw my neighbors jack russells get into a small fight and one bit the other causing some blood on its nose----we separated them quickly, but the wimpering of the one dog and the blood made me pretty uncomfortable.
But I also understand that bloodsports are common all over the world and they have been with us for thousands of years. Underground dog-fighting, chicken-fighting, fighting-fish, bull-fighting. All these animals lose their lives for the entertainment of people. And betting is popular with all of these activities. In some places, some of these activities are totally legal.
I am not trying to justify blood-sports; but I am pointing out that some things are more acceptable to some than to others.
I think that the fact that MV used dogs, mans best friend, it hits home for a lot of folks. Especially people that have a pet dog, and most notably, bull terriers.
Mike Vick violated several laws and he was sentenced to pay for his crimes. He did and now he can move on with his life.
Whether you like it or not, he has paid for his crimes. Justice has been served and he is now a free man. Free to do as he chooses---and that means that he can play football for the Cleveland Browns if we sign him (which we should).
I really hope we sign MV. It would be a perfect comeback story here in the dawg pound.
If the Browns signed Vick, I would still cheer for them, of course.... but I'd be embarrassed to have him on my team.
I don't think he's a great QB - even at Vick's peak, Romeo Crennell showed the blueprint for containing him by using an LB as a spy... & he's now he's lost his effectiveness. Furthermore, what he did is reprehensible. Have you ever seen videotapes of dogs fighting? Truly revolting.. anyone who gets pleasure out of that has a major screw loose and I don't care what "culture" they come from.
Quote: It would be a perfect comeback story here in the dawg pound.
I suppose for some it might be. I see the connection. I also see the connection that could be made for it being a slap in the face.
We do not need Mike Vick to be successful. Argue all you want that we need better quarterback play, it doesn't have to come from a convicted felon.
Someone above said (paraphrased) that football is less important than the example you set and the way you live your life. Too bad that is not really the case. If you or I had avoided hundreds of thousands of dollars in income taxes, you can bet we would be made an example of, and at a unequal level of "justice."
It would be an unadulterated porn movie for the Cleveland Browns Dawg Pound to have to support Mike Vick.
I just feel the guy screwed up,he got his punishment and it is time to move on. If the front office of the Cleveland Browns feels that it is in our best interest to sign Mike Vick as our QB then as a member of the Cleveland Browns I will cheer for him to do well. That does not mean I condone or support what he did,BUT as long as he never does it again then it has to be put in the past.
If Jesus Christ could forgive the men who put him on a cross and drove stakes through his hands and feet, I can forgive MV for being part of a dog fighting operation.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Vick not only gambled illegally (according to NFL rules) but funded (and possibly ran) an inter-state gambling and organized crime operation.
As much as I love dogs and hate that he could even think about doing some of the things he did to them, this is still the more serious crime that he committed and I am still mortified that the NFL did not ban him for life ala Pete Rose.
The Dog Killer playing for the Dawg Pound? No way... I'd stop following the team.
He committed a crime was sentenced by our justice system. Whether or not a justice system got it right is up for debate but as many have said he did what was required of him by the government.
Many people on here support torturing terrorists to get info but get butterflies from dog fighting? I don't get that, there are for worse atrocities committed by governments and in the name of religion than dog fighting. A lot of people on here also said we should keep Donte Stallworth and he actually killed a man, by the way he received a lighter sentence than Vick Its dog fighting...we butcher millions of cows, chickens, and pigs every year but do get butterflies from that? If a boxing promoter got his Boxer in a fight that killed him would you even care? Do you enjoy the UFC? People in the military kill people and are rewarded for it does that bother you? Packs of dogs have been fighting and blooding each other since they first existed, does that bother you? It's dog fighting not genocide.
If a person commits a crime and gets punished for it then why should he never be forgiven for that crime. Since people are so fond of the bible on here
The things he did to innocent, trusting, domesticated animals are horrible. The fact that he didn't care about these animals and their well-being just pisses people off and I'm not really sure how some of you don't understand that.
I don't like him, and I'm allowed that feeling. If you wish to believe he's paid his dues, you are welcome to that feeling -- I will never believe he has. I don't care what our "government" gave him for punishment...most of what they do sucks ass anyway.
i would still root for the browns, but i would not enjoy the fact that he is on our team.
1. i don't think he's that great of a player, he's a wildcat qb at best, and we already have a pretty good guy for that gig
2. i honestly don't think he's sorry for what he did, he's only sorry he got caught. he didn't sound sincere in his 60 minutes interview. i could be wrong but that was the vibe i got. i don't think he cares. he was raised to not care about that thing. but for me, i don't want guys like that on my football team. i know we don't have a bunch of choir boys, but for the most part, they are good guys. cribbs, steinbach, wright all have a past, but they seem to have overcome those events. stallworth is currently dealing with it, but these guys are good guys.
That's some great rhetoric that I almost read.... and I don't care one bit about any of it.
There is no way in hell I could cheer for that individual.
1. What he did is unforgivable in my mind. You babble on about Stallworth - I believe Stallworth's victim had more than a little bit of a say in the matter. Vick's didn't. 2. I sincerely doubt that he truly regrets anything other than getting caught. 3. He sucks as a QB. He is just a RB that can throw and I've never liked him as a player, and I never will and I do not want my team to have anything to do with him. 4. I don't give a rat's ass about any Bible.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I would have to cheer for him because he would be the starting QB of my favorite team. I wouldn't like it, not because of what he did because I truly believe peopel can turn their lives around.
Perfect example is one of my childhood friends. Never could hold a job, always doing drugs and drinking, in and out of Juve, never even had his license or a car, got nailed for armed robbery and went to prison for like 5 years. Now he go's to college, has a daughter, a descent job, his license, a nice car and is about to be married. Completely turned his life around.
I think Vick can turn his life around, can't really say for sure yet because it hasn't been long enough. But I think he could.
I just wouldn't want him on this team because I dont think he would be a good fit. I didn't think he was a very good quarterback when he was in his prime. Not too mention the fact that i'm sure him and everyone else would love to move past the dog fighting stuff, and playing in the Dawg Pound is surely not going to do anything but add fuel to the fire.
That's rich. I figured it was only a matter of time before someone said "it's only a dog". At least the ant or spider died a quick and painless death. I would have rather the dogs he TORTURED had the same luck.
Quote: come on people he did his time
In YOUR opinion. If it were up to me, his ass would still be in prison...and would be for a long time to come.
I would not want him on the Browns. I would hate rooting for him, but I would not stop cheering for the Browns. I agree that he has paid his dues to society, and that is why he is allowed employment in the NFL. But if you had an employee who did this, would you necessarily want him sticking around your company? I know I wouldn't.
I have zero problem with him being allowed to play in the NFL, and I supported the NFL's decision to let him. I just don't want him on my team.
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Its dog fighting...we butcher millions of cows, chickens, and pigs every year but do get butterflies from that? If a boxing promoter got his Boxer in a fight that killed him would you even care? Do you enjoy the UFC? People in the military kill people and are rewarded for it does that bother you? Packs of dogs have been fighting and blooding each other since they first existed, does that bother you? It's dog fighting not genocide. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/BrowniePoints/AndersonSnowPic.jpg)
