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btw....what happened to Daven Holly this offseason.
I know he was injured last year but I liked what he brought to the table as a sub and a bottom of the roster backup.
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Welcome aboard, Mr. Hood. Say hi to Cribbs and flatten Edwards once if you get a chance.
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btw....what happened to Daven Holly this offseason.
I know he was injured last year but I liked what he brought to the table as a sub and a bottom of the roster backup.
Hood > Holly
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After that Holly doesn't fit into our plans.
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btw....what happened to Daven Holly this offseason.
I know he was injured last year but I liked what he brought to the table as a sub and a bottom of the roster backup.
Well, he destroyed his knee and was a Free Agent...not a good mix.
you had a good run Hank.
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Ok , so after the draft , how many ran to him with their check books , sheeee's
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According to reports, four... Chicago, St. Lou, us and someone else I can;t remember.
Most teams have already blown their wad.... Don't think he wouldn't have been signed had he been released before the draft.
Hood is a solid corner.....arguably better than Wright and definitely better than BMac. I think both McDonald and Wright WILL be better than Hood and have a higher ceiling...but right now, Hood significantly upgrades our secondary. He's a corner coming off a good year (career highs in picks and PDs) and is really in his prime.
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Savage pursued this guy as a free agent a few years ago before he signed with Arizona.
Even if he doesn't displace Wright or McDonald, he will be MUCH better than Ivy or Poteat as the 3.
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Just clicking... I'm for any move that improves this team and I think bringing in Hood clearly accomplishes this for our secondary. Regardless of whether or not he starts (BMac and Wright weren't NEARLY as bad as some would have you believe -- this ought to be an interesting training camp battle to watch) our depth is significantly improved. Great addition. 
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I think Cribbs was going to be getting more looks at safety, and I really don't see it happening a whole lot. I think we like Elam and Pool back there. I know I do.
What is Elam's deal? I know that there's a lot of hype about him, but I just don't know why, or anything about him for that matter.
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He is very good in pass coverage, and is a great fit with Pool. They are nearly polar opposites as far as play. They are both good athletes, but Elam is more of a corner, and Pool is like a small linebacker.
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Seems like a good move, but without a pass rush how much does it really matter if this guy is the next Darrell Green or Terry Cousin?
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and yes he could make McDonald go the nickle .
I think McDonald beats him out and Hood gives us a good Nickle Back.
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I agree, he's not starting jack for this team. He may not even be on the roster come September. The guy was part of a horrible pass defence last season in Arizona & now he's the second coming of Deion Sanders. 
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I agree, anything that helps this team is a positive move. This certainly helps the team, he could be a starter or slide into the nickle. This adds to the depth, maybe makes Gotbeat find another team. I like Ivey, but he is on the short side- but in the perspective of a number 4 corner he is solid. The corners were a glaring weakness last year, they are much improved this year -both the two young ones with added experience and the depth with the vets. If one of the rookies pans out, all the better.
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The guy was part of a horrible pass defence last season in Arizona & now he's the second coming of Deion Sanders.
How true, thats a good point example of what the average football fan thinks, It would be nice to go out and sign all the pro bowl players for leauge minimum prices, but it dosent happen, & when we do end up signing a FA or a released players, there's a reason they were released, In reality usually it's because of a balance between salary & performance, We shouldnt expect Hood to step in & start, but what he's needed for is to up grade our depth, the more options we have at CB the better we will be, competetion for a spot on the team will only make these guys work harder and become better, and if hood ends up starting all the better.
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hahaha I probably came on a little strong with that post. I'm usually cranky in the a.m.
If the guy can make the team and contributes, good for him and us.
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Holly - bad knee injury and hasn't had a bite from 31 other teams sitting on the FA market. He might be done. Possibly a year off he could make a comeback.
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Excellent signing. I don't see Hood beating out EW nor McD for the starting position but he'll be our Nickel Corner.
Poteat n Ivey I don't know how much LEG they got left and we know they will not be Special Teamers.
The two rookies should make a mark on Special Team and absorb as much as they can of our Defense. I think Carey has an edge on our staff over Francies.
One they took Carey first so that should say something of the pecking order.
Two in Camps I heard a lot of talk from coaches about Carey and they liked his Versatility (Safety n Corner). But we'll probably keep both. I think one of the Vets Poteat or Ivey are gone when we make cuts.
But we have taken a weak part of our team and bolstered it up. Weak not in McD or EW but we had nothing in Depth. One of the reasons why 3rd down hurt us so much we had no Nickel or Dime Corners to speak of.
2009 looks solid in our depth now.
We actually will have to cut somebody rather than looking at 6, 7 UDFAs and FA pick ups that nobody else wanted fighting for half of our Corner positions.
Solid pick up and he is auditioning to stay here long term. I believe he has Versatility in him as well to be depth at Safety too.
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He is very good in pass coverage, and is a great fit with Pool. They are nearly polar opposites as far as play. They are both good athletes, but Elam is more of a corner, and Pool is like a small linebacker.
Are you sure about that? Because that's what I was hoping to hear. I don't know much about the guy except that he played safety for the jets, Mangini wanted him enough to try to sign him, and then trade for him.
But a guy who's more of a FS playing FS is exactly what we need. Someone who can cover deep and helps as our last line of defense. I also hope he's someone who can direct the defense where to go ALA Brian Russell. What a fumble it was to let that guy get away...............
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One they took Carey first so that should say something of the pecking order.
Two in Camps I heard a lot of talk from coaches about Carey and they liked his Versatility (Safety n Corner). But we'll probably keep both. I think one of the Vets Poteat or Ivey are gone when we make cuts.
But we have taken a weak part of our team and bolstered it up. Weak not in McD or EW but we had nothing in Depth. One of the reasons why 3rd down hurt us so much we had no Nickel or Dime Corners to speak of.
I'm not sure I agree on Carey vs Francies, but I do agree that one of our vets will probably be cut. I've seen Poteat play and he's okay, but nothing special at all. From watching Ivy line up against us, I can pretty much only say the same thing. I'll be interested to read the training camp reports and watch the preseason games.
But as you said, this season we have depth and that's a good thing. Poteat and Ivy are better than Terry Cousins. And Cousins was our nickleback last year (if i'm not right). He was awful. Rodrick Hood/Brandon McDonald playing nickle and backup corner is awesome. And we have depth beyond that as well.
I'm beginning to like the team Mangini is putting together for us this year. We definitely should do better than we did last year.
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The guy was part of a horrible pass defence last season in Arizona & now he's the second coming of Deion Sanders.
I see a lot of people agreeing with the signing, and thoughts that he will play nickle and maybe beat out one of our young, green starters. I am having a hard time finding anything anyone posted here that comes even close to suggesting he is the next Daylon McCutcheon, let alone the next Deion.
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I know dude.... I amended that by stating I was cranky this morning and opened my yap, inserted foot. 
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Yessir. He is definitely a free saftey, who was forced to play strong safety due to Kerry Rhodes playing FS.
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I agree, he's not starting jack for this team. He may not even be on the roster come September.
The guy was part of a horrible pass defence last season in Arizona & now he's the second coming of Deion Sanders.
COFFEE, COFFEE I see hood as being the best Nickle Back we have had the last few years. It is a upgrade that the defense really needed.
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I also hope he's someone who can direct the defense where to go ALA Brian Russell. What a fumble it was to let that guy get away...............
Oh, this myth is still alive? While it´s right that our S-tandem sucked and didn´t fit Russell simply isn´t a good S....the Seahawks DB stunk with (and for the most part BECAUSE of) him....he has the brains but not the talent to play the position, he´s the white Version of Renaldo Hill
I liked him too...but it wasn´t necessarily a bad decision to NOT pay him 2-3mil/year for being a safety net option and #3 S...remember, we had a high 2nd rounder waiting in the wings (Pool)
We need and needed a brain back there but Russell wasn´t the missing piece....I hoped we´d draft R.Johnson from Bama who I think will be a great FS in the league pretty quick...but I like Elam too and really trust Mangini on DBs
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I liked him too...but it wasn´t necessarily a bad decision to NOT pay him 2-3mil/year for being a safety net option and #3 S...remember, we had a high 2nd rounder waiting in the wings (Pool)
I seemed to remember our secondary being much better with Brian Russell. Especially the season after he left, where Brodney Pool wasn't particularly good at FS and Sean Jones doesn't play the position either.
Now the Seahawks problems are the Seahawks problems, but I do believe that the Browns with Brian Russell as our FS were much better than the Browns with Brodney Pool as our FS.
My biggest point is that we had two strong safeties starting the past couple years, and I do believe that it's putting more pressure on our cornerbacks. I feel like Russell was good at helping take some of that pressure off. He called our secondary coverages, and was in position. And I surely hope that Elam can do this also.
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Your correct .. we were better with Russell at FS than Pool .. that does not make Russell a good FS .. it just makes him better than Pool .. D is right (for a change ..  .. ) .. Russell was and never will be even an average FS .. he has above average smarts and WELL BELOW AVERAGE TALENT ... his brains took him as far as they could ... he as a good "QB" of the secondary ...... problem is although he could get other in position to make plays .... his body could just not do the things the brains told him to FAST ENOUGH to make himself good .. 
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Agreed. The funny thing is that Russel is a former QB.
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This takes significant leverage away from Cribbs IMO.
What does Cribbs have to do with it?
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oh man... you didn't keep reading did you?
I was talking about how the browns had been planning on using him in our secondary, and from the looks of our roster they seemed to be hoping he'd be a major contributor.
Before the draft, there was a slight potential he could turn into a starting safety or nickel corner, with a strong possiblity he'd be the 3rd safety.
After Elam was acquired, that put him out of contention for a starting spot and made his third safety role less likely since Adams slides down to #3. That puts him as a possibility to win the nickel or as a specialty role to cover strong wideouts like Brandon Marshall.
Adding Hood as a very solid 3rd corner to the team means Cribbs falls to #7 at best as far as getting onto the field as a DB. In other words, the coaches will probably follow through in getting him some camp work, but he is not likely to contribute on defense.
Add to that the additions of Patten and Furrey and it looks like the WR experiment is mercifully over.
This puts him back in the position of just being the world's best special teamer and an occasional wildcat option. Originally, he wanted to use the 4/$40mil Hester deal to come down from. I imagine his agent was hoping for $5-$6 mil/per with roles as KR/PR, ST Coverage, #3/#4 WR, and Nickel CB. Maybe with some escalator if he became starting S. Now I think it's more realistic, as I posted previously, that he comes in around $2.5mil per with escalators to $3mil.
There's nobody who follows this team that really thinks of him as "just a special teams player," but these recent developments seem to sum up to his strictly playing special teams.
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I agree, he's not starting jack for this team. He may not even be on the roster come September.
The guy was part of a horrible pass defence last season in Arizona & now he's the second coming of Deion Sanders.
He's not the second coming of Primetime, but he's better than Hank Poteat. And Ivy.
Not saying he'll start, but he can push for it. If he doesn't, he has a good chance of playing the nickel. I doubt that he gets cut off the roster by September.
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He makes the football team better ..
if he starts he will not be much better than whoever he replaces in the starting lineup .. so he maybe a MARGINAL UPGRADE there at best ....
but whoever his signing puts in the nickle spot .. be it him, EW or McDon .. theres your upgrade ... and thats a PRETTY BIG ONE ..
so he made us a better football team .. and thats a good signing in my book ..
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Exactly. He'll be on the roster come September, and our pass coverage will improve. I wasn't too comfy with Ivy as our nickel, though better than Cousins. And I am sure people know what I think of Poteat by now....if anyone is cut, it may be him. 
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I really like McD as a nickle. He's the prototype for it.
And I love his ball awareness. When he's in the zone and has a feel for what the QB is doing he's a threat to get INTs in bunches.
I don't like him outside, especially in games where he gets beat a couple of times. When he loses that confidence he's really below average.
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And I love his ball awareness. When he's in the zone and has a feel for what the QB is doing he's a threat to get INTs in bunches.
This is something true about McDonald. He is great on making breaks on the ball, but I think that Rod Hood would be good as a nickel too. You never know how McDonald is going to come into this season, he's only going into his third year. After trial by fire last year, we might see some improvement.
McDonald helped us lose some games, but so did plenty of other players. I wouldn't be surpised to see McDonald beat out Hood and see Hood as nickel and primary backup corner.
Corner is a position where people get hurt a lot though, and I'll bet they'll both see a lot of time
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I agree, he's not starting jack for this team. He may not even be on the roster come September.
The guy was part of a horrible pass defence last season in Arizona & now he's the second coming of Deion Sanders.
I think that the additions of Hood and Elam will be key in improving our secondary. These new guys and the experience Wright and McDonald gained last year will give us a secondary that isn't a liability at every snap of the ball. Maybe I am getting too pumped about the season---but I think that in a sense, Mangini has "fixed" our secondary and barring any injuries, I am comfortable with our group.
btw, I think there is a good chance Hood pushes McDonald into the nickel role---or at the very least he will see plenty of spot duty from week to week.
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He makes the football team better ..
if he starts he will not be much better than whoever he replaces in the starting lineup .. so he maybe a MARGINAL UPGRADE there at best ....
but whoever his signing puts in the nickle spot .. be it him, EW or McDon .. theres your upgrade ... and thats a PRETTY BIG ONE ..
so he made us a better football team .. and thats a good signing in my book ..
Which makes our 4th and 5th corner positions even stronger. The key is who this pushes off of the roster.
Once again, we are improving depth. There's a concept.
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