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Brady Quinn takes early lead in Cleveland Browns QB competition
by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter Thursday May 21, 2009, 10:50 AM
BEREA -- First edge in the Browns quarterback competition goes to ... Brady Quinn.
Quinn has taken reps with the first team this week at coach Eric Mangini's first voluntary minicamp.
"That's because he's done a really outstanding job in the offseason program," Mangini said today. "Not that Derek (Anderson) hasn't done well, but (Quinn) had the edge so he took the first reps. There's no overwhelming significance to that."
Mangini said Browns coaches will track "everything" the quarterbacks do during this open competition for the starting job.
Mangini has said he has no timetable in naming his starter for the 2009 season.
He would not say whether Brett Ratliff, who was acquired in the draft-day trade with the New York Jets, was a contender for the starting job.
"I'm going to look at that position completely," Mangini said. "It's one of those things where he'll get opportunities and there will be a rotation. There will be some days where any of the four quarterbacks can be the one. But right now my primary focus is with Brady and Derek."
The fourth quarterback in camp is Richard Bartel.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/05/brady_quinn_takes_early_lead_i.html
This is funny,,, that's a grossi article with the headline reading Quinn takes early lead in Camp QB Compitition
Now read this from the Browns Site:
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Zac Jackson, Staff Writer
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Quick notes from Eric Mangini's pre-practice press conference on the third and final day of the Browns' voluntary minicamp...
**Brady Quinn has been getting the first reps, but Quinn and Derek Anderson have taken an equal amount of reps thus far.
"It's even," Mangini said. "We track everything as we go in terms of how many throws, types of plays, types of routes, so there's balance. Brady got the first reps today and yesterday and that's because he's done really good job in the offseason program.
"There's no overwhelming significance to that. The goal is balance."
**Mangini said the coaching staff tracks every rep for every player at every position at this time of year to ensure players get equal opportunities.
**This camp marks the first time the full roster has been on the field with the new coaching staff.
"The first time with the full team is always exciting," Mangini said. "It's a great opportunity for us to start this phase of our preparation. We give them a chance to get to know us and what the expectations are, how we do things. And we get to know them...and really lay the foundation for training camp."
**Several different players have taken different reps at wide receiver with the first two units.
"We don't really have a depth chart -- we have a rep chart," Mangini said. "Some guys are moving around not based on where they are but based on us wanting to see that player run that route. We may want to see Brian Robiskie run a comeback. We may want to see Braylon (Edwards) run a certain route.
"Braylon has done great job the first two days."
The Browns will practice from approximately 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. Click back later this afternoon for more.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=9580
Pretty much the same thing right.. Except there is no pushing of a headline that grabs you...
Tony loves to twist things..
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Several different players have taken different reps at wide receiver with the first two units.
Cribbs could have gotten in that mix and maybe proven himself a little more (although I doubt it since I'm not sold on Cribbs being an effective WR).
As for Grossi, I take everything that guy says with a grain of salt.
However, is there really a large contingent that thinks DA will be the Day 1 starter over BQ?
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great job calling him out on that....if we could only assure he would read the board and see it
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"Braylon has done great job the first two days."
Mangini probably wouldn't say anything different, but it's still nice to see that in black and white. I hope he hasn't been reading these boards all winter. 
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Come on man...one works for the browns WEBSITE and just reports what goes on...the other writes for a newspaper and is almost required to come up with headlines like that...how can u blame the guy for doing his job? it's not like he made stuff up...he still reported what he saw and is....
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BF,,, yeah, there isn't any doubt in my mind that Cribbs is hurting himself with Mangini with his actions.. not only that, he's not doing himself an favors as far as learning the system either..
I know that Cribbs is worth more money, but I just don't like it when guys sit out like this.
No Logo, as for calling Grossi out,, he does this all the time,, takes basic truth and turns it into a sensational headline.. It's to be expected I guess...
If Grossi reads this stuff on here, he's so ego driven that I doubt he'd agree with it..
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Come on man...one works for the browns WEBSITE and just reports what goes on...
Really? Read the headline of the article... THen read the article,,,
Is that what you call reporting what's going on. Where in the article (either one) does it say that Quinn is leading in the compitition?
Yet the Headline says so..
That's not journalism, that's sensationalism...
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"Really? Read the headline of the article... THen read the article,,," Heck I usually dont do either I just like to read what you guys say 
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not to mention that he says Quinn took reps with the first team but never mentioned the 50/50 split.
heck, he never even mentioned that DA took reps wtih the first team at all....seemed loaded to think that DA wasn't (though without explicitly stating it)
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I can see both sides.... Grossi is a D-bag for manipulating the story to grab a readers attention. However, if he doesn't "juice it up a bit" it's a page 5 story that most would glance over. He's doing good by his paper in that respects. Don't worry people, a QB qill be chosen to lead this 6-10 team in 2009 soon enough.  
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hey, at least you don't think we'll be lucky to win 2 games this year
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Heck I usually dont do either I just like to read what you guys say
 I'm guilty of that at times..... 
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hey, at least you don't think we'll be lucky to win 2 games this year
OMG,, who was it the other day that said that... I cracked up over that.. This is as good or better team as last season and it appears we have an easier schedule.. how that equates to 2 wins is beyond me.....
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Come on man...one works for the browns WEBSITE and just reports what goes on...
Really? Read the headline of the article... THen read the article,,,
Is that what you call reporting what's going on. Where in the article (either one) does it say that Quinn is leading in the compitition?
Yet the Headline says so..
That's not journalism, that's sensationalism...
If you actually READ and digest the words instead of looking for something to pounce upon with your ludicrous vendetta against journalists, you would have seen that both reads attributed quotes to Mangini about Quinn having the edge of the two.
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Where in the article (either one) does it say that Quinn is leading in the compitition?
It seems pretty clear to me...
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"That's because he's done a really outstanding job in the offseason program," Mangini said today. "Not that Derek (Anderson) hasn't done well, but (Quinn) had the edge so he took the first reps. There's no overwhelming significance to that."
What - you expected a coin flip???
This is one time I have to side with Grossi - Mangini is getting his message out there - "I'm paying attention and judging everything you guys do. Everyone will have equal time to prove themselves, but I am prepared to make decisions."
The QBs are starting from the same point, but Quinn has the post position. And I'm happy to see Mangini's decisiveness. 
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There's no overwhelming significance to that."
Those are Manginis words Shep... No "no overwhelming significance to that"
He said that in reference to why Quinn is getting first reps..
Now I think it's time you learn to do some reading.... Also time for you to chill out..
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OMG,, who was it the other day that said that...
It was in the consensus forum if you want to remember
sadly, someone actually agreed with it.
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Those are Manginis words Shep... No "no overwhelming significance to that"
He said that in reference to why Quinn is getting first reps..
The message Mangini is sending is loud and clear - Quinn took the first reps - he "started", and for a very good reason. However, he's not going to let it go to Quinn's head - Mangini needs the competition to get the best out of Quinn.
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Brady Quinn takes early lead in Cleveland Browns QB competition
by Tony Grossi/Plain Dealer Reporter Thursday May 21, 2009, 10:50 AM
BEREA -- First edge in the Browns quarterback competition goes to ... Brady Quinn.
That is the headline and the lead....
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"That's because he's done a really outstanding job in the offseason program," Mangini said today. "Not that Derek (Anderson) hasn't done well, but (Quinn) had the edge so he took the first reps. There's no overwhelming significance to that."
And this is Mangini stating BQ "had the edge." also saying it's not really significant.
Nothing misleading there on Grossi's part, daman.
& it's quite possible Grossi doesn't write his own headlines, too.
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EVERYONE KNOWS ... and this is just sign #1 ... its BQ's job .... and EVERYONE INCLUDING DA KNOWS IT ...
this is just the right way to handle it .... and the DA fans being the sad sacks that they are like Loyal and "the witch is dead" need sumptin to keep hope alive with ...
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BQ is startin', not much doubt in my mind.... diam you better be right about that guy.
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BQ is startin', not much doubt in my mind.... diam you better be right about that guy.
There is little doubt in my mind either..Quinn will be the starter I think..
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""That's because he's done a really outstanding job in the offseason program," Mangini said today. "Not that Derek (Anderson) hasn't done well, but (Quinn) had the edge so he took the first reps.
In case you missed it.
Just reading that quote from Mangini I get the impression that Quinn has the early lead.
Grossi deserves much of the bashing he gets on here,but I don't see anything wrong with this headline or the article.
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Sorry man,I didn't read the entire thread before I posted.
But I must say your post was simply brilliant.
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No more brilliant than yours dude.
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So Anderson is gonna be traded or released before training camp...  Common were all waiting for somebody to read completely out of the lines..and post something like this comment,........werent we now
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j/c here's the whole quote from mangini: Quote:
“It’s even,” Mangini explained. “We track everything as we go in terms of how many throws, types of plays, so that there’s balance and you’re looking at it as much as possible. Brady will get the first reps today, he started with the first reps on Wednesday, and that’s because he’s done a really outstanding job in the offseason program. Not that Derek hasn’t done well, but I thought that [Quinn] got the edge, so he took the first reps. There’s no overwhelming significance to that. Just that first phase. I thought that Brady had a little bit of an edge, so he got the first reps there. The goal is balance.”
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/05/21/quinn-anderson-splitting-first-team-reps-with-browns/
key that is left out is "just that first phase" as in "someone has to get the very first throw." imo, i read that as "brady worked extra hard so when it came time to give first dibs on this open competition, i gave it to brady...but they're splitting reps with the first team 50/50."
this is non-news and exactly what is expected. too bad there was no coin-flip, then there would be no chance in analyzing this...though you could then say "well quinn went to nd, so god likes him more..." lol
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...though you could then say "well quinn went to nd, so god likes him more..." lol
Well, God hasn't really helped ND much in the past 20 years.  I wonder if He took some post-graduate work in Florida and USC.
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great job calling him out on that....if we could only assure he would read the board and see it
Grossi works for a paper with a large distribution, he's trying to get people to read his stuff... if you are on the Browns website, you are probably going to read what Zac Jackson has to say, he doesn't have the same incentive to GRAB your attention...
I'm not defending Grossi, just saying that because of the outlet... I would almost expect to see a different approach.
It's like if a suspected murderer had the charges dropped because of a technicality, the local paper would put "MURDERER SET FREE OVER STATE ERROR"... where as a law review would title it "Failure to follow XYZ procedure leads to suspect release"
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Come on man...one works for the browns WEBSITE and just reports what goes on...
Really? Read the headline of the article... THen read the article,,,
Is that what you call reporting what's going on. Where in the article (either one) does it say that Quinn is leading in the compitition?
Yet the Headline says so..
That's not journalism, that's sensationalism...
ZAC Jackson isn't paid to write his OPNION...on the other hand grossi is to a certain extent...i still don't think his article is missleading...ur just picking on the guy because u don't like him If he changed the QUOTE then that is missleading.
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Grossi works for a paper with a large distribution, he's trying to get people to read his stuff
Two things wrong with that statement. First, the readership of the PD is suffering just like other papers around the country. They have dropped some so he's merely trying to help build it back up..
But in doing so, he's, IMO, Sensationalizing anything.. for what it's worth...
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You do realize that normally a reporter doesn't write the headlines to a story, his editor does. Right?
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This is correct. I never write the headlines, and only rarely the description.
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As for the whole thing I like it. I think Mangini was pretty plainspoken on this one. I think it means BQ is working his butt off. Also DA must be working hard as well. I'm actually kind of excited regardless of who ends up starting with keeping both. You can never have to many good QBs. I have a feeling Quinn will start, but hope we end up keeping DA too.
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I have a feeling Quinn will start, but hope we end up keeping DA too.
When looking at our team's QB injuries since we've returned, I am too.
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But in doing so, he's, IMO, Sensationalizing anything.. for what it's worth...
He didn't sensationalize anything.....he attributed Quinn getting the first reps because he has an edge thus far in camp per Mangini's words....not that difficult to understand; and as others have noted Grossi doesn't write the headline he writes the article.
Grossi didn't "twist" anything.....
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You do realize that normally a reporter doesn't write the headlines to a story, his editor does. Right?
Nope.. didn't know that.. still don't know it for sure..
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Well Shep.. Let's chalk this up to we aren't going to agree on this.. I think Grossi is a sensationalizing gasbag, and at least in this instance you don't agree...
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Interesting comparison, Damanshot. I like BQ enough to say he has earned a long look and a start. Then he is trade bait if need be. Starting camp with a half dozen or so cubees and still not generating O is wrong, especially if we lack a veteran to bring em along, one of the major downdrafts of the RAC campaign to nowhere. Hope we get off the spot and name a starter soon.
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