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I think a big issue is being made about a little tissue.

I'll put Terry's photo as my avatar too.

Oh, Tony.

But the Browns finished #1 in pressure rate last year, 5th in pressure rate without blitzing and 9th in quick pressure rate overall yet taking an undersized Abdul Carter at 2 makes sense? When you have the shittiest offense in the NFL (32nd in EPA in 24, 28th in 23) the L2 years


Cut and paste from the above post ... Because ... Damn!

I'll briefly mention how Stefanski is touted as an offensive genius .... Because, yes, chubb and DW situation is almost an insurmountable obstacle the last 2 years. And yet we're judged by results no matter what. Ain't that Right Baker??

Ive been leaning strongly Carter if we dont see Ward on the board when we pick. Ive always felt PBA is the best long term strategy. Carter would be PBA. But seeing this quote about pressure and our D .... If Ward is gone (sounds 99.5% certain he will be #1) i think I'm in the trade down camp now. I'm also a firm believer in more picks lead to better chances/probability of better drafts. Obviously you need a dance partner. But hopefully someone with a mid 1st round pick covets Carter or another player.

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Andrew Berry: Travis Hunter can play both ways, but we see him as a receiver first
By
Myles Simmons

Published February 25, 2025 04:52 PM
The Browns have the No. 2 overall pick in the upcoming draft, which could see the team be squarely in position to land 2024 Heisman Trophy winner Travis Hunter.

If the Browns do bring Hunter in this spring, General Manager Andrew Berry plans for Cleveland to use him primarily as a receiver.

“Well, I’d say this, in terms of Travis Hunter, cornerback or receiver? The answer is yes,” Berry said. “So, he can play both and I think that’s what makes him special.

“We would see him as a receiver primarily first, but I think part of, again, what makes him a bit of a unicorn is the fact that he can do both at a high level.”

Why primarily a receiver?


“I mean, honestly, I would say this, it’s six, one way half dozen another — he can play both,” Berry said. “I do think that there’s just an element where his superpower, his superpower, they’re really his ball skills and that’s a position where you can use it a hundred times during the season versus maybe 30 on the high end.

“But look, we’ll have our coaches and scouts fight it out in terms of where he should be on the board, but any team he goes to would be happy to have him.”

Hunter played over 700 snaps on both offense and defense in 2024, catching 96 passes for 1,258 yards. He also scored 16 touchdowns. He then had four interceptions on defense.

Lol. Love it! Photoshop your face onto Pluto's bald head.

I'm not sure what confused you about my post. My assertion was that Hunter fills a hole and a need the Browns currently have. If I had my choice I would lean in that direction. At the same time I understand how hard it would be to pass on a blue chip pass rushing prospect.

The Browns have gone three years in a row without a first round pick. For me the safest pick on the board to give them the best chance at an impact player for years to come is #1 on my priority list over anything else. I think both of these players fit that description.

So thqat's the reason you think we should ignore the people with the most experience? Because "We don't know?" We didn't know about Brandon Weeden or Johnny Manziel either. Until we did. It's a little too late then.

Make it happen! Cam Ward or bust.

I'm missing something here. What is the Njoku connection here? They obviously didn't overlap at Miami.

Njoku and Ward have been working out together down in Miami. Could be discussing a contract extension as well. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Makes Tony Grossi look ridiculous.......again.

This might be my BBF Syndrome talking, but I hate hearing about Jimmy's comings and goings during draft stuff.

Doesn't he have enough to do in selling his stadium boondoggle to taxpayers?

The strength of this draft is depth at mid rounds talent. Positions traditionally not strong 1st round talent according to analytics Running backs, Tight Ends, Offensive Guards, Defensive tackles, and Safeties. There are quite a few strong players at those positions that will be selected in round 3 thru 5. The top end position Quarterback, Wide Receivers, Offensive Tackles, Defensive Ends, and Cornerbacks positions does not have many top end players this year. Even the top players have some question marks. Abdul Carter is small for a Defensive End. Garrett was around 270 and tested great. Carter is 245 and tested great. What position does Travis Hunter play? Is he best in class at WR or Corner? Or is his strength his versatility? Might want to get more mid roujnd picks and build the core players on the team.

Right!?

"Water's wet, grass is green, story at 11"

I would havr a hard time passsing on abdul carter at #2 but if one of the bad team (Raiders, jets, saints and the like) were to offer us their #1 next year and #2 this year (probably also with some mid round pick swaps) then I probably would make the trade.

I am not doing this in hopes of getting the ability to trade up next year for a Qb but for the likelihood that they would have a top 5 pick so that we can get our Qb next year.
There *should be multiple Qb's in next years draft better than what we could get in this years darft.

For Qb this year, I would trade a couple of or 6th round picks to GB for Malik Willis. From what I have seen he has really progressed, and if GB can do anything well, it's develop Qb's
Willis is on the last year of his rookie contract so won't cost us much
If he has developed as I think, then we are set at Qb going forward
If not, then we have 2 high 1st next year to solve the Qb issue

Who from the Browns organization showed up fro Ohio State Pro Day ?

Dee Haslam

Emphasis on "currently" but this isn't an outrageous take, obviously, whether he is selected by the Browns or someone else. To be fair, Schefter said a month ago that he was most confident the Browns were taking a QB.

The vibe I'm getting is that the Browns want Cam Ward. The Titans know the Browns want Cam Ward. The Browns know the Titans have a larger rebuild ahead and really want Carter and the new GM can afford to wait until 2026 to take a QB, therefore, the Browns do not feel the pressure to trade up for Ward.

Titans going all out at Ward's pro day bringing even their media team to make is seem like they are all in on Ward. They then leak word to Schefter that for the right price, they'd be open to a trade.

Browns leak to Josina Anderson they're fine with a trade down. Leak to Schefter that Carter is their guy. The Browns do not want to appear too eager for Ward.

Who calls who's bluff in the end!

Did Will Howard go from quality backup to potential starter?

I would simply wait for the draft to come to me. I wouldn't be held hostage by the Titans.

Just stick to the 2nd pick and select there or trade down at that point if it is the right offer, both in draft position and compensation. IMO there are at least 2-3 other QB's not named Ward or Sanders who will be good NFL QB's.

I love reports like this. The more "predictions" like this that are quite different from each from a position standout helps to make other teams not know what we are thinking.

This is draft poker bluff time. To quote Vito Corleone as he said to his son, Santino; "never let anyone outside the family know what you are thinking again".

Yes, let's not give up our 2nd round pick to move up one spot and cause my Kellen Winslow JR nightmares to come back.

What elaborate think tank cooked up this monstrosity of a conspiracy theory?

Agreed. Part of me likes the idea of Hunter and maybe a DE later as this draft seems somewhat deep at DE. But another part of me thinks that having Garrett and Carter might make this Burrow's last season in the league.

I never wanted Carter at #2 for the Browns. These lingering injuries issues raise a red flag. First, the stress reaction in the foot and now still dealing with a busted up wing.

I sure hope the Titans love him though!

I mean, it's hard to pass judgment on a couple injuries, but yeah, I'm with you, If nothing else because: Cleveland. This one seems tailor-made for another Cleveland heartache. I don't even know why but I just feel it in my bones.

Courtney Brown demons rearing their head, Fate. Berry and Stefanski cannot afford such a risk.

And Carter is pretty bad against the run. The game plan by any team would be to right run at Carter and Garrett.

I always thought the Browns wanted the RDE to be a bigger, edge-setting guy to stymie the run. That doesn't describe Carter.

Half the planet thinks Hunter is a WR and half thinks he's a CB. Our history hasn't been good when we get these guys and don't know (definitively) where they should play. I don't think he is the best WR nor the best CB in this draft...an amazing talent for sure.

I'd rather take Dart (even if that's 8-10 spots too "early"). At least we know what position he plays and what role he fills.

I've always thought this iteration of the FO is more focused on pass rushing both on the exterior AND interior of the line. That's not to say that player couldn't have some impact on the run as well, but that the focus was getting to the QB and disrupting timing, etc. However, one of the bigger concerns about Carter is his power. Yes, he has the speed and bend but does he have the bull rush "ooompf" so to speak to over power a lineman. I think that some draft analysts peg him as a better fit as an OLB edge rusher in a 3-4 base...similar to guys his size and weight like TJ Watt or Micah Parsons.