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Fair enough.
I just think a different reply should be expected. One situation is addressing people at a campaign stop, telling them what you plan to do.
The other is a response to a question by a reporter with a condition attached -- "if your plan doesn't work, is your entire presidency a failure?" To which the response was basically "no, I don't think so, and the plan should work". Followed by giving the same exact reasons why he thinks it will work.
To each his own.
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That's a good summation. If they want to survive, they need to hunker down and return back to their messaging of defending the middle class and working people in general. Also, let the chips fall where they may during the presidential primary. Two times now they have botched it, with the same idiot on the other side taking advantage. Botched it up by choosing a women candidate twice. Just shows most Murican men aren’t ready for a Women president, black, white or redneck. They’d put Marge in charge… she’s their AOC minus the brains and class. And just enough female dems would go along for her to be the next molotov cocktail they’ll wanna lob when Trump fails again.
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I’ll be curious to see how you think Biden caused more inflation than Trump.
Edit - this is 100% a walk-back. Trump said this in August: "Grocery prices have skyrocketed; how can a family afford that? So, when I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said.
It’s literally the definition of a walk-back, my friend.
Unless you’re looking for confirmation bias I suppose.
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Are you saying that his response didn't walk back “When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on day one,”? 100% His response is to whether his presidency would be a failure. Maybe go back and read. Are you seriously trying to find an argument in the semantics of the question being asked? Where’s all the rhetoric he had with his campaign? Where’s the savior going to come in like he professed? Look, I know a lot of campaigns run on rhetoric, but this dude lies. He’s always lied and he runs on false promises. His last presidency proved that. But hey, I hope he does lower prices. If he doesn’t, you know what I say: Own it.
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Are you saying that his response didn't walk back “When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on day one,”? 100% His response is to whether his presidency would be a failure. Maybe go back and read. Are you seriously trying to find an argument in the semantics of the question being asked? Where’s all the rhetoric he had with his campaign? Where’s the savior going to come in like he professed? Look, I know a lot of campaigns run on rhetoric, but this dude lies. He’s always lied and he runs on false promises. His last presidency proved that. But hey, I hope he does lower prices. If he doesn’t, you know what I say: Own it. Listen, I can't say this about many here, but I know you're smarter than this. The question states that he has already failed to bring prices down, does it not?? The next box in the if/then is "does that make your presidency a failure?" You CANNOT tell me you don't understand the difference here.
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I almost said the same to you. I think we’re at odds on this one.
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I’ll be curious to see how you think Biden caused more inflation than Trump.
Edit - this is 100% a walk-back. Trump said this in August: "Grocery prices have skyrocketed; how can a family afford that? So, when I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said.
It’s literally the definition of a walk-back, my friend.
Unless you’re looking for confirmation bias I suppose. Let's see what happens. If you want to stick to day 1, well, ok, you win. You are due for a win. As for inflation in general, energy my man. That impacts everything. Bidens biggest blunder was related to energy production.
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I’ll be curious to see how you think Biden caused more inflation than Trump.
Edit - this is 100% a walk-back. Trump said this in August: "Grocery prices have skyrocketed; how can a family afford that? So, when I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said.
It’s literally the definition of a walk-back, my friend.
Unless you’re looking for confirmation bias I suppose. Let's see what happens. If you want to stick to day 1, well, ok, you win. You are due for a win. As for inflation in general, energy my man. That impacts everything. Bidens biggest blunder was related to energy production. Is the US the top oil producing country? 10 Top Oil-producing Countries (Updated 2024) | INN In addition to being the largest oil producer in the world, the US is a big consumer of oil. In 2023, the US consumed an average of 20.5 million barrels per day of petroleum products.Oct 29, 2024 Is the US exporting more oil than ever? The US has been a net exporter of oil and petroleum products since late August 2021. In 2023, the US exported more crude oil and petroleum products than it imported.Sep 24, 2024 Why can't the US refine its own oil? Refinery Capacity and Infrastructure Bottlenecks The ability to process crude oil into usable products—such as gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, and heating oil—hinges on refinery capacity. While the U.S. has an extensive refining system, it's still limited in scope compared to the sheer volume of oil it produces.Oct 10, 2024 I probably don't know everything I need to know about this, but it certainly appears that the "Drill baby Drill" thing is a myth that Trump used to get elected.
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As for inflation in general, energy my man. That impacts everything. Bidens biggest blunder was related to energy production. How so? Biden’s oil boom How fossil fuels thrived despite the White House's climate policies The counter-intuitive fossil fuel boom under Biden reflects an awkward truth for his supporters and detractors alike ahead of the November elections, proving that what happens in globally interconnected markets like oil and gas is often well outside the immediate control of the person in the White House. In Biden's case, Russia's invasion of Ukraine pushed oil and gas prices so high that many producers worldwide made record profits, not just those in the United States. The global economic recovery that followed the darkest days of the COVID pandemic also rapidly pumped up demand for fossil fuels. The profits of the top five publicly traded oil companies, for example — BP, Shell, Exxon, Chevron, and TotalEnergies — amounted to $410 billion during the first three years of the Biden administration, a 100% increase over the first three years of Donald Trump’s presidency, according to data compiled by Reuters. Jobs growth in U.S. fossil fuels also far outpaced that in the renewable energy industries Biden has been promoting to fight climate change, according to the data. Trump, Biden's Republican presidential challenger this November, nonetheless frequently uses Biden's energy policy as a punchline at his campaign rallies, promising to “drill baby, drill” and restore America's energy independence when he returns to the White House — even as the U.S. cements its position as a fossil fuel superpower. Biden’s supporters, meanwhile, rarely, if ever, tout the lofty oil and gas performance, focusing instead on his push for a green economy through lucrative subsidy packages for solar, wind, electric vehicles and other clean energy technologies that have sparked new manufacturing projects across the country. “If Trump were president, he would be talking about the great oil boom in the United States, the great energy independence and be taking credit for the relatively low gas prices,” said Ed Hirs, an energy economist at the University of Houston. After pandemic slump, oil shares surge under Biden Change in share price of Dow Jones U.S. oil and gas index from start of presidency The White House told Reuters that the high U.S. oil and gas output is helping, not hurting, U.S. efforts to decarbonize the economy because it ensures steady energy supply in the meantime. “President Biden has led and delivered on the most ambitious climate agenda in history, restoring America’s climate leadership at home and abroad,” it said in a statement. “As we make the historic investments needed to transition to a clean energy economy, record domestic oil and gas production is helping to meet our immediate needs.” Longer-term impact Biden came to the White House vowing to accelerate the end of the oil and gas industry by shifting to a green economy powered by electric vehicles, hydrogen, wind and solar. Many of his actions could be transformative over time if allowed to remain in place. Among his biggest actions: He canceled the Keystone XL Pipeline project to bring in more Canadian crude to U.S. refineries, paused new LNG export permits pending an environmental review, reduced the federal oil leasing schedule, and is using the regulatory system and tax credits to speed up the transition to electric vehicles and renewables. His critics have sought to tie these actions to rising prices at the gas pump, which soared amid the turmoil of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and strain from a surge in post-COVID demand. The average price at the pumps during Biden's first three years was $3.60 a gallon, compared to $2.57 during Trump's presidency, according to data from the Energy Information Administration. Biden's signature climate law — the Inflation Reduction Act — includes billions of dollars in tax credits to help bolster green industries, and while that package has already triggered a rush of new manufacturing announcements, its full impact won’t be felt for years. Dustin Meyer, senior vice president of policy, economics and regulatory affairs at the American Petroleum Institute, the top U.S. oil and gas trade group, said he feared Biden’s policy choices could damage oil and gas in years to come, even if they are having little impact now. "There's only so much that an administration of either party can do in the near term to impact supply or demand," he said. “We are concerned about the administration's policies when it comes to leasing, when it comes to LNG, when it comes to infrastructure development, and they are going to make it very difficult for us to meet the energy needs of the future.” In the meantime, though, fossil fuels jobs have expanded more quickly than clean energy jobs during Biden’s presidency. Jobs in clean energy rise under Biden, but so did those in fossil fuels The first two years of the Trump and Biden administrations saw a growth in jobs in electric power generation The number of U.S. jobs in oil, gas, and coal rose by 11.3% during the first two years of Biden's presidency, outpacing the 8.8% growth posted in solar and wind energy jobs, according to figures compiled by BW Research. The discrepancy was even greater in terms of total jobs, with fossil fuels growing by nearly 80,000 compared with just over 38,000 for solar and wind, according to the BW figures. Data for 2023 has not yet been released. During Trump's presidency, fossil fuels jobs shrank, driven mainly by an economic contraction triggered by the COVID pandemic. Crude oil output hits a record high in 2023 U.S. oil production, meanwhile, has also hit record highs under Biden, continuing to outpace rivals Saudi Arabia and Russia. The U.S. also produces more natural gas than ever, pulling record volumes from wells that spread from Texas to Pennsylvania. As a result, American ports are sending record volumes of both abroad, including to allies in Europe who are weaning themselves off Russia for energy supplies. All of this has been good for companies and their shareholders. In addition to soaring share prices, dividend payments and share buybacks by the top five oil companies were $111 billion during the first three years of the Biden administration, a 57% increase over the first three years of Trump’s presidency, according to the data. “You could make an argument that the industry has been more productive, relatively speaking, under this president than ever before,” said Hirs. https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-BIDEN/OIL/lgpdngrgkpo/I know this is a story neither the right nor left is covering. The left wants to send the message they're only for green energy and the right wants to claim Biden hurts fossil fuel production. But in oil production America is the leading oil producer on the globe and production has increased significantly under Biden. Natural gas production has increased even more. There are charts at the link showing just how much both oil and gas production has increased since Biden took office.
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so despite the fact that we are producing record numbers of oil, people still push this idea that we aren't.
you know how intentionally dense you have to be to engage in that kind of rhetoric? our country really decided that feelings over facts is the correct mindset.
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I don't see a walk back. I never really expected to see much happen on prices. Once prices go up, they rarely come back unless business starts to cut wages, which won't happen. "“When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on day one,” Trump continued. “We will drill, baby, drill,” he said, referring to increasing domestic oil production. “That’s going to bring down prices of everything.” So you knew he was lying all along? What did he lie about? He literally just said the same exact thing in this interview. Dawglover wrongly called it a "walk-back" when all he did is answer a stupid question about whether his presidency would be a failure if grocery prices didn't come down. So going from "I will immediately bring prices down, starting on day one" to "bringing prices down is hard" when asked if lowering prices is still the criteria (that he himself set) isn't a walkback (or at least the beginning of one)? ok...
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Are you saying that his response didn't walk back “When I win, I will immediately bring prices down, starting on day one,”? 100% His response is to whether his presidency would be a failure. Maybe go back and read. Are you seriously trying to find an argument in the semantics of the question being asked? Where’s all the rhetoric he had with his campaign? Where’s the savior going to come in like he professed? Look, I know a lot of campaigns run on rhetoric, but this dude lies. He’s always lied and he runs on false promises. His last presidency proved that. But hey, I hope he does lower prices. If he doesn’t, you know what I say: Own it. Listen, I can't say this about many here, but I know you're smarter than this. The question states that he has already failed to bring prices down, does it not?? The next box in the if/then is "does that make your presidency a failure?" You CANNOT tell me you don't understand the difference here. You're leaving out the part where he himself also admitted that prices are a large part of what got him elected, and his promise to address it. Now he's saying that doing anything positive about prices is going to be hard. If I were as inclined to nitpick the question to death... yeah, saying this one thing hinges on whether his whole presidency is a success/failure is dumb. But the point requires the reader to not be so deliberately obtuse.
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so despite the fact that we are producing record numbers of oil, people still push this idea that we aren't.
you know how intentionally dense you have to be to engage in that kind of rhetoric? our country really decided that feelings over facts is the correct mindset. What surprises me probably more than anything is some of the people that buy into this are usually pretty smart people. The fact of the matter is it will be determined based on profit margin and demand like everything else. Those in the fossil fuel industry aren't just going to keep doing the "drill baby drill!" thing. Fossil fuel prices can only go down so much before that stops. And that price point isn't much lower than it is now. Drilling and exploration is a costly endeavour. Once the price of oil and natural gas drops to a certain point it is no longer a logical thing for the producers to increase or even carry on production at its current rate of production. Once prices drop to a certain point it is counterproductive to produce more. It is very hurtful to not only these companies but their investors. And at that point even trump himself has tried to help increase fuel prices in order to protect them. Here is an article of the deal he struck that was a record deal in getting OPEC and other nations to cut oil production during the pandemic. This came just a few weeks from him saying those low fuel prices were good for the consumer due to the low gas prices. Nobody was buying much gas during the pandemic. So on one hand he sells the "drill baby drill" idea to the voters when his past actions have shown us that there comes a point he values the oil industry over the consumer.................. OPEC and allies’ oil production cut is Trump’s ‘biggest and most complex’ deal ever: Dan Yergin https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/13/ope...d-most-complex-deal-ever-dan-yergin.html
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I’ll be curious to see how you think Biden caused more inflation than Trump.
Edit - this is 100% a walk-back. Trump said this in August: "Grocery prices have skyrocketed; how can a family afford that? So, when I win, I will immediately bring prices down," Trump said.
It’s literally the definition of a walk-back, my friend.
Unless you’re looking for confirmation bias I suppose. Let's see what happens. If you want to stick to day 1, well, ok, you win. You are due for a win. As for inflation in general, energy my man. That impacts everything. Bidens biggest blunder was related to energy production. You Goper’s love fake news. Pffft The US is the largest crude oil producer in the world, pumping out nearly 13 million barrels on average every day in 2023, an all-time record, according to data from the US Energy Information Administration.
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Are you seriously trying to find an argument in the semantics of the question being asked? Where’s all the rhetoric he had with his campaign? Where’s the savior going to come in like he professed?
Look, I know a lot of campaigns run on rhetoric, but this dude lies. He’s always lied and he runs on false promises. His last presidency proved that. But hey, I hope he does lower prices. If he doesn’t, you know what I say: Own it. Well buckle up DL05; we have 4 more years of Trump ‘splaining headed our way. Yep, every chucklehead in MAGA will be telling us what he really meant when he deported those 7 million people. And more when his tariffs and heists for the elites come to fruition. They’ll ‘splain Trump’s worst away to feel better about themselves; while embracing the hate, vitriol, and dystopian conspiracy theory driven cult of idiocy they thrive on. I can’t wait for one to tell me how my wife’s VA medical that she earned was a waste of taxpayer dollars after the billionaires steal it. I got a new pair of brass knuckles just for that occasion and I’ll finally get some of this rage out because, I’m breaking that jaw.The last time they doubled, even tripled down to explain away his poor performance, inane skillset, horrendous morals, klu klux klan and nazi support, his fetish for autocratic rule, sexual assault, whoremongering, constant lying, his disconnect with reality, etc etc etc Fun times ahead. Well, for some would-be-oligarchs and bigots, the rest of us will just get more suffering. Hoovervilles 2.0, depression, and soviet occupation are all real threats again. But the eggs being too expensive won’t be a problem after the starving homeless storm corporate farms and eat all the livestock and food they can. After seeing the reactions of the elite and the working class over the UHC CEO assassination. I think the result of another massive shift of wealth to the Corporate and Elite Oligarchy may send us spiraling into class warfare. I can’t imagine the working class laying down for taking veterans services away, cutting or eliminating social security or medicare. Lot’s of people hate on “ghetto queens” for welfare style program benefit usage… but just wait until their ‘medical card’ get’s cut off, or that disability check quits coming FOREVER… ish is gonna hit the fan. And sadly Trump and his billionaire pals will act like letting you keep those social safety-net services will cause irreparable harm to the people they think really matter, with little concern for the fallout on the rest of us… and it will be on.
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I can’t imagine the working class laying down for taking veterans services away, cutting or eliminating social security or medicare. I wouldn't stand for that, but I am a working class person. I worked all of my life.
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The thing about it, though, is that healthcare, social security and defense I think make up somewhere around 65% of our budget.
Right now, DOGE is making a straw man out of federal workers like myself and listing blatantly false information as “waste” leading to the justification of their existence. It’s serving the tried and true method of ruling up the masses. I have said bits and pieces but I am contemplating drafting an entire treatise on the federal government and it’s spending (in one of the main budgetary areas) from an insider’s perspective to explain the reality.
Going back to the point, you can’t really do what Musk and Ramaswamy want to do unless you attack at least one of those three areas significantly. So either they do that, or they fail.
They are crying out for cuts to big government but they don’t have a plan. They are replacing that void where a plan is needed with bluster via social media. It has also become blatantly apparent they don’t understand where the waste actually lies or the solutions, some of which I have already named.
The only other alternative is increasing revenue via taxes. Hell, put Eisenhower’s tax brackets back in place. He was a Republican. However, when you have billionaires running the Government, which will happen at an unprecedented level with this next administration, equitable taxes seem an impossibility. Class issues like what OCD mentioned don’t necessarily seem as far fetched as they used to.
It’s very 1790’s France. Big debt, out of touch aristocracy, wealth gap, etc. The response to the killing of the UHC CEO surprised even me, but it also shows something is brewing.
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One thing you can be sure of. Even when he wins he whines like a 6 year old child. Expect the frivolous lawsuits and attack on the press to continue. This petty child can't even win with grace....... Trump sues Des Moines Register and top pollster over final Iowa survey President-elect Donald Trump is escalating his legal campaign against media outlets by suing renowned pollster J. Ann Selzer, her polling firm, The Des Moines Register newspaper and its parent company Gannett. Unlike many of Trump’s legal actions against the press, which often allege defamation, this case alleges violations of the Iowa Consumer Fraud Act, which prohibits deception when advertising or selling merchandise. While the nontraditional claims are unlikely to succeed in court, Trump is using the lawsuit to wage a broadside against what he perceives as left-wing media, mainstream press coverage of elections and the role of pollsters during campaigns. Though he won the 2024 election, Trump alleges the news coverage of Selzer’s poll — published days before the election showing Vice President Kamala Harris with a surprising lead in Iowa that didn’t materialize in the vote — was intended to artificially help Democrats during the campaign. Media experts warned the lawsuit could have a further chilling effect not just on news reporting, but also on political polling. Selzer didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment from CNN. The Des Moines Register said in a statement that the newspaper and Selzer had “acknowledged” that the “pre-election poll did not reflect the ultimate margin” of victory and have released the poll’s full data and details, as well as “a technical explanation” from Selzer. “We stand by our reporting on the matter and believe this lawsuit is without merit,” said Lark-Marie Anton, a spokesperson for the newspaper’s parent company, Gannett The case comes on the heels of Trump winning a $16 million payout from ABC News in a defamation case that he and the news organization settled this weekend. Trump and his allies also continue to rail against news outlets, threaten them, and pursue other court cases against large outlets and a book publisher. The case reflects Trump’s anger at the final Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll of the 2024 election season. It was conducted at the end of October by Selzer’s firm, Selzer & Co., based on telephone interviews with 808 Iowa likely voters. The poll found Harris with 47% support and Trump with 44%, a shocking result since Trump was universally expected to win the state. And indeed, he did – by a margin of 13 points – which is key to Trump’s argument that Selzer committed “election interference.” “Defendants and their cohorts in the Democrat Party hoped that the Harris Poll would create a false narrative of inevitability for Harris in the final week of the 2024 Presidential Election. Instead, the November 5 Election was a monumental victory for President Trump in both the Electoral College and the Popular Vote, an overwhelming mandate for his America First principles, and the consignment of the radical socialist agenda to the dustbin of history,” Trump’s attorneys wrote. What the lawsuit lacks, however, is any evidence that Selzer did anything improper in reporting her poll results. “This absurd lawsuit is a direct assault on the First Amendment,” said Robert Corn-Revere, chief counsel of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. “Newspapers and polling firms are not engaged in ‘deceptive practices’ just because they publish stories and poll results President-elect Donald Trump doesn’t like. Getting a poll wrong is not election interference or fraud.” Other legal experts were also unimpressed by the suit. Rick Hasen, a professor at UCLA School of Law, wrote upon learning of the case Monday night: “I don’t expect this lawsuit to go anywhere.” But even if the case gets tossed by a judge or Trump loses, the legal action demands time and precious financial resources from media outlets to fight, including lawyer’s fees, time preparing responses, court hearings and possibly even deposition and discovery. Experts have said Trump is taking a page out of an authoritarian playbook employed by strongmen around the world who have gone after the news media over a range of supposed crimes often unrelated to journalism. Joel Simon, director of the CUNY Journalism Protection Initiative, told CNN he “would not have imagined… that some of these same tactics would be deployed in the United States.” “I would also be concerned about the arbitrary, petty, and vindictive nature of these legal actions that President-elect Trump is pursuing,” Simon added. “The possibility of legal victory is slim because under the ‘actual malice’ standard reporting done in good faith is protected in the US. But for a smaller or less resourced news organization, mounting a legal defense can be a serious challenge.” https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/17/media/trump-lawsuit-des-moines-register-ann-selzer-poll/index.html
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And now since he couldn't get the judge to drop his convictions he's trying more BS to get out of his convictions.................... Trump Claims To Have Evidence Of Juror Misconduct In Hush Money Case Prosecutors said the allegations are just a ploy to cast doubt on the verdict. President-elect Donald Trump’s attorneys are continuing their fight against his hush money conviction by arguing that “grave juror misconduct” tainted the verdict, although prosecutors called the allegation “vague.” Details of the supposed misconduct were redacted from court filings made public Tuesday. Trump’s team has been fighting to have the case thrown out entirely by arguing that a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in July on presidential immunity invalidated it. New York Supreme Court Judge Juan Merchan decided Monday, however, that Trump is not immune to the charges because none of the relevant conduct involved official presidential acts. Rather, central to the case was an effort to conceal allegations of a sexual encounter with a porn actor from emerging in the days before the 2016 election. Trump denies the sexual encounter and has said he did nothing wrong. The safety of the jurors in Trump’s trial was of deep concern to prosecutors and Merchan, given how the president-elect has a history of publicly attacking opponents, often prompting his supporters to follow up with threats. Although the panel reached its verdict on May 31 ― guilty on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records ― Trump is still prohibited from sharing information about the jurors that could lead to their identification. Trump’s team outlined the alleged jury misconduct in a letter to Merchan dated Dec. 3, which was followed by letters from prosecutors in the next several days. Trump’s team has not asked to hold a hearing on the misconduct claims, as they are permitted to do under law. Prosecutors told the judge that instead of trying to uncover the truth of the matter, Trump “wants instead to use these unsworn, untested claims by his attorneys to undermine public confidence in the verdict.” Merchan made a note of the fact Trump has not asked for a hearing in a letter to the parties that was unsealed Monday. He said that until Trump’s claim was “properly filed,” the court “cannot allow the public filing of unsworn, and admittedly contested statements,” and ordered heavy redactions. The judge has yet to decide how Trump’s sentencing will proceed ― if it does at all. Prosecutors proposed several ways of handling the case going forward, including taking jail time off the table, freezing the case until Trump is out of office or closing it with a note, as some judges do when a defendant dies before sentencing. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trum...6ez1XMSj9yBUw_aem_cvy0BNNK6xf-dDyoMSZh9w
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Trump will just say....you promise lots of things as a candidate- now elected you do what you want- politics. He made lots of promises to "Right to Life" folks, yet he is trying to make Robert Kennedy, Jr. Health and Welfare Dept head-- he is all for abortion....opposite of "Right to Life" folks.
Plus Trump has Republicans, but not just a Republican, you got to be HIS Republican....here is what Trump thinks about his former VP-"Pence’s relationship with Trump fractured after the former vice president declined to follow the Republican president’s wishes and went ahead with certifying the 2020 election.
Trump did not hold back in his contempt for Pence, questioning his judgment and calling him “delusional” on the campaign trail. Pence, in turn, declined to endorse his one-time running mate.
How does a guy a heart beat from Presidency and your personal pick fall so far.
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The Trump-Pence dynamic is probably the BIGGEST weak spot in the constituency. I have not seen one person who voted for Trump try to step up and try to provide a rational explanation for that one.
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He’s already broke his promise to NOT touch social security or vet benefits by letting DOGE say they are on the table. Screw his scare tactics. Come take that stuff, FAFO. If they think everyone will lay down for starving seniors by killing a program they paid into and politicians stole. Or benefits vets earned with blood and tears. I’d like to personally stomp a mud hole in both of our POTUS elects. And MAGA acting like they didn’t vote for this… screw them too. Shut up and eat your $50 egg. Not eggs, egg. Smfh.
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I’ll be damned if I’m going to put up with this stuff if it ever comes to fruition. Mass Deportations with soldiers in the streets, cutting social security, medicare, medicaid, VA benefits and hospitals, the dept of education, etc. these are ALL over the line, if you ask me. If you thought the BLM riots were bad… smh.
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I can’t imagine the working class laying down for taking veterans services away, cutting or eliminating social security or medicare. I wouldn't stand for that, but I am a working class person. I worked all of my life. I dare say that almost all of us are working class. Not to be confused with Blue Collar. I'm working class but never worked in a job that I wore anything other than a suit and tie. I won't stand for cutting Veteran benefits. I'm of a certain age where if they took away Social Security and Medicare, I'd be sunk... Yes I have savings and Investments, but when we planned our retirement, we took into consideration what we would likely receive in SS and Medicare. If I lose those things, it will create a hole I can't climb out of at this age. 20 years ago, I could have perhaps.. Not now. And Veterans, geez, what kinda lame idiot would cut benefits to those that defended us. There is plenty of government waste to cut. But these aren't that. Musk said that what he's doing is going to "hurt" for a while.. Hurt who? Vets and the elderly? I don't think I and many others will stand for that. I'll say it again and you won't like it, but Trump is surrounding himself with Nazi wannabes.
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My guess is that those who have already retired won't be affected, both because of the situation you mentioned, in addition to the fact that the elderly vote...big time.
So my guess is the older Gen X folks and Boomers will go on as is, while the younger Gen X, Millennials and Gen Z on down will have to pay in more while also getting their benefits reduced to offset the huge gap. Aside from raising revenue (and the incoming admin wants to do the opposite of that), I don't see any other way.
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My guess is that those who have already retired won't be affected, both because of the situation you mentioned, in addition to the fact that the elderly vote...big time.
So my guess is the older Gen X folks and Boomers will go on as is, while the younger Gen X, Millennials and Gen Z on down will have to pay in more while also getting their benefits reduced to offset the huge gap. Aside from raising revenue (and the incoming admin wants to do the opposite of that), I don't see any other way. probably a very accurate take. within our age group, we're about to see who was really picking themselves up by the bootstraps, and who was just running their mouths, projecting.
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I’ll be damned if I’m going to put up with this stuff if it ever comes to fruition. Mass Deportations with soldiers in the streets, cutting social security, medicare, medicaid, VA benefits and hospitals, the dept of education, etc. these are ALL over the line, if you ask me. If you thought the BLM riots were bad… smh. The mAGA manifesto the last four years had US in a civil war soon. They may just get it.
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Also makes me shake my head at all those years Boomers would give us millennials grief about not working hard enough, being soft, etc. while they were born into immense wealth and will leave us with immense debt. That's for another thread, though...
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It's always been that way ever since I can remember. The former generation talks down to the future generations. When Elvis and R&R first became popular the world was going to hell according to the former generation. During the 60's and 70's when I was growing up we heard the same thing. Sadly enough the world is going to hell but not for the reasons they claimed it would. The greed of man is destroying everything and that didn't come about based on a single generation but all of them combined.
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Yeah, you can bet destruction via greed is one of those things that transcends every generation of mankind.
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Also makes me shake my head at all those years Boomers would give us millennials grief about not working hard enough, being soft, etc. while they were born into immense wealth and will leave us with immense debt. That's for another thread, though... Well, in their defense, millennials were/are softer than Boomers and GenX. Silent GenXer’s are the ones to watch out for… We hit you first and ask questions after. I just made the Xer cut, a year earlier I’d have been a boomer. I think I was a flawed prototype… lol.
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I’m at the vanguard of the millennials, like you are with X. We did have it pretty tough. Graduated from law school, which I paid for, in 2009 right after all the ish hit the fan. Had my job at a larger firm pulled from me. Worked at a sweat shop for two years making peanuts for backbreaking work because graduating JDs at the time were a dime-a-dozen.
Youngest of six kids which include Boomers, X and me as a millennial. My middle-child brother and I are the only two who don’t have some sort of dumpster fire going on in life. I get to be the executor of my mom’s estate and she doesn’t take a word of my advice, which makes for a lot of fun, haha.
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Frank, there are 27 amendments to the U.S. Constitution. The ten making up the bill of rights do a magnificent job of limiting the reach of the central government. Of the remaining amendments, none has a more noble, more righteous, more justifiable reason for existence than the 14th amendment. At the same time, none has had their reason for existence bastardized more than that same 14th amendment.
The 14th amendment was ratified in July of 1868. That date alone should offer clues to why it was passed. There were concerns that some states were going to take steps to deprive the freed slaves and their offspring of the benefits of citizenship. This amendment made clear that former slaves and their children were American citizens. No ifs, ands or buts. Now you will have to take my word for what is next unless you want to read the transcripts of the debate, but not one mention was made of this amendment assuring that if a pregnant woman illegally entered our country her baby would be guaranteed American citizenship and all the benefits that come with it. Not one word. It was passed to protect the freed slaves.
I am not sure how many court cases called upon the 14th amendment but for 30 years or so it was considered as a guarantee of citizen rights for the now free slave population. In 1898 the court ruled in US vs Ark, the court ruled that children born of legal immigrants were bestowed citizenship. That opinion remained in force for 80+ years. Then in 1982 I believe, in the case of Phyler vs Doe Justice Brennan inserted a footnote saying there were“no plausible distinctions” between resident aliens who entered the U.S. legally and resident aliens whose entry was illegal.
Apparently Brennan did not recognize the whole legal vs illegal thing but anyway that was how “anchor babies” began. And it has done nothing but grow. In 2003 70% of the 2300 babies born in Stockton Cali’s San Joaquin General Hospital were “anchor babies”. It is a growth industry and numbers today probably dwarf that.
Even Harry Reid, dem senator from Nevada knew that expanding the scope of the 14th amendment was crazy and would encourage women to enter the country illegally. In 1993 Reid introduced a bill that would end the bestowing of citizenship to babies of illegal immigrants. He said the bill clarified that that anyone born in the U.S. to an illegal alien mother “is not a U.S. citizen. He later withdrew the bill but obviously he recognized the problem.
I am not a constitutional scholar though I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express one time, so I do not know if this problem can be rectified by legislation or requires a constitutional amendment. I do not think Brennan’s footnote that started the whole anchor baby fiasco has ever been tested in court. That might be worthwhile.
American citizenship is a precious thing, and American should control who becomes a citizen not a foreigner who sneaks into our country and has a baby. We need to do whatever is necessary to put a stop to it.
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This is nothing new. Many Europeans showed up pregnant at Ellis Island. Not yet legal citizens and nobody had an issue then. What’s your beef? The constitution was written to protect all citizens born in the USA and is clearly stated in our constitution.
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This is nothing new. Many Europeans showed up pregnant at Ellis Island. Not yet legal citizens and nobody had an issue then. What’s your beef? The constitution was written to protect all citizens born in the USA and is clearly stated in our constitution. The beef is, and always been, people that enter illegally.
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That includes every visa that has expired too. It also includes naturalized citizens in Trumps mind. So, Elon might not realize that is what he is… the first poor person the denaturalize, dems will call for Melania’s and Elon’s deportation. Just to prove a point of course.
And what happens when they run out of brown people? Who’s next? Those at the top don’t ever know when enough is enough… we live in disturbingly interesting times. I’m actually beginning to feel Trump will kill the MAGA movement all by himself during these next four years. And I would still like to know if he SOLD his presidency to Elon. I’m thinking he did after the display of leadership this week. We’ll see how that goes. But they have definitely started an Oligarchic rule. FAFO Nation.
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I’ll be damned if I’m going to put up with this stuff if it ever comes to fruition. Mass Deportations with soldiers in the streets, cutting social security, medicare, medicaid, VA benefits and hospitals, the dept of education, etc. these are ALL over the line, if you ask me. If you thought the BLM riots were bad… smh. You are imaging things at this point to semi support riots. I don't understand your point of mass deportations with soldiers on the streets? I would say deport the wetbacks and put the soldiers in hotel rooms and give them spending cards. Screw the illegals. Education? The DOE is a joke. It is more about a political agenda than it is educating young people. This country if full of dumb people. We spend too much time teaching young children about queers over reading and math. I'd cut the department of education down to about 52 people. One each per state to oversee and 2 in DC to oversee the state appointees. Set some standards, cut summer vacations down to maybe 3 weeks, make mandatory schooling through 9th grade. Invest in vo-tech schools for those who are having a hard time at that level and teach them some life skills. Teach people how to make a living and be productive members of society. Why require chemistry if that person stands no chance of ever being a chemist or pharmacist? For the most part you know by the 7th grade if a person is a serious student or not. We need to quit making people feel like drop outs if they don't get a college degree. I don't quote Hillard Clinton very much. Actually, not until now, but it takes a village. Well, not everybody in that village is going to be the mayor or engineer or doctor. You also need a butcher, baker, and candlestick maker. We tend to forget about the last three. Get our kids on the path to success no matter their capability. I don't demean what anybody does. I have dealt with all different levels of education and vocation. All jobs are necessary, but all jobs don't pay the same. Pretty much anybody can dig a hole in the ground, not everybody can be the village doctor. Kind of a supply and demand deal.
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Yes we need to educate Walmart employees because where are you finding these local bakers? 1960? Same for butchers, independent butchers are a dying breed because you can’t compete on a big scale with the chains super stores. I used to go to a nice mom and pop butcher for years, but they got old and their college educated kids wanted nothing to do with it. Same all over. In Springfield, I’d wager 70 percent of independent shops are immigrant owned. So they’ll be gone soon too.
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