DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns off-season move that backfired !

Hey Mac, don’t you like Depo? Why not? IMHO, he turned this franchise around. If it wasn’t for the knee jerk owner, we’d be contenders. I put this on the haslams first, Berry and Ski second. But I mostly put this entire debacle on the fans who let a diva WR’s daddy turn them against OUR FRANCHISE QB during an injury riddled season. Talk about giving us 120%… if Watson could muster a tenth of Baker’s mojo, he might have not been a total bust at QB3. But Baker wasn’t enough, so now we get the same old crap QB play for the next 3-5 years. And we still have an anchor on our necks in the form of the worst trade ever.

If I understand this correctly, the fault is all on Haslam, with Berry and Sefanski bringing up the rear, respectively.

In the end though, all the blame falls at the feet of the fans who have absolutely no decision making power in the organization? I cannot believe that guy/gal sitting in section 531, row 23, seat 9 would sabotage the franchise like this!

Seems like a rational conclusion.

This is the bbrowns we are talking about, nothing is logical with this team.

Not really. You can either show players this coaching staff didn't develop and went on the be successful elsewhere or you can't. If not it's quite obvious that 31 other teams didn't think they could develop into anything substantial either.


No, that was a part of your point. You then went on to blame the coaching staff for not developing those players. So which is it? They aren't drafting talent that's good enough to be developed or the coaching staff isn't developing players that could be?


You can't show me a single instance where I said this FO and even owner weren't dysfunctional and the results are evident. All I asked you to do is back up your point about the coaching staff not developing this talent you claim they were given to develop.


You mean the Baker that Stefanski led to the playoffs when he was healthy for an entire season? So he got as much out of baker when he was healthy than anyone else has in terms of leading their team to the playoffs. So I guess he did develop that talent. And who is it that makes the final decision about trades trades and cutting players again? Let me give you a clue. It's not the HC.

Both Mitchell Scwartz and Jordan Poyer were both gone from this team long before Stefanksi was ever hired as HC here. Try to focus.

In Baker's last healthy season as a Brown the record was 11-5 and led the Browns to the playoffs. He hasn't done better than that since he left.

The topic of discussion is concerning Berry and his ability to draft talent and whether Stefanski isn't developing that talent or whether the talent Berry is drafting simply can't be developed.

It had nothing to do with previous GM's or when we the Browns were going through HC's in the same manner most households go through toilet paper.

I understand what you're saying and don't disagree with you. After all it is Haslam's final call on who get hired as the GM and he is responsible for hiring a person in that position he can trust to run the team.