It is only week one. I will try to avoid any "the sky is falling" thoughts .. BUT
-that was really bad
- We have to really, really be concerned about Watson (if we weren't already)
- Our OT spots are a huge issue
- the lack of run game is simply not sustainable
- The injuries are already piling up
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
So what points did you make are a surprise? The realists on this forum expected exactly what happened. In fairness DW would have probably played better if he wasn't running for his life all game.
Honest non emotional response to that. Offense going 3 and out all first half gassed the defense. Deshawn doesn’t look comfortable whether it was bad line protection or just not being good anymore. The playcalling wasn’t very good either. One or the other will be gone by next season if this is what the season looks like. Micah Parsons affected them all day. Lack of any run game makes the loss of Callahan that much worse.
It’s only one game.
On to the next. The rest of the division wasn’t lighting it up either today.
Seemed like a typical Stefanski prepared team and game plan. Dallas defending within 8 yards of the the line of scrimmage and the Browns running plays right into the D strength. No sense of cohesive approach, and no fire off the line. Offensive line was a sieve at best, no adjustments and no protection. Defense gassed by mid 2Q.
Cleveland Ground Hog Day...same stuff on repeat forever. I don't have high expectations for the season if this is the 2024 "plan."
If he had gone deep early a time or two, he wouldn’t have had so much pressure. I didn’t see a pass over 6 or 7 yards for almost the entire first half.
Then to throw a little salt on the wound, Baker tossed 4 TDs today.
Fire whoever advised Jimmy to approve the DW trade. How good does John Dorsey look right now ? He brought us Baker, brought Goff to Detroit, and got booted out of our lame-arse 3 rd world city because he wanted to retain Freddy Kitchens.
Well, look back now and you’ll see that John Dorsey was right the whole time.
- he is really LATE with everything ... throws, reads, decision making
- his deep ball sailing out of bounds multiple times was not the Watson of old
- he takes a ton of hits (maybe not his fault obviously)
- he seems to be low on a lot of balls and/or under throw them on the run
- above all, it's his look of befuddlement or daze .. just ZERO confidence
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
The defense only allowed 265 yards of offense and 2 TDs. for being on the field forever due to our horrible offense, i wouldve thought it'd be worse.
that's the only bright spot i can think of, because the offense and special teams was terrible.
i really dont like seeing Ford back there. and i swear we only use strong in garbage time. i really dont know whats going on, but im also shocked we still have 3 starters on offense out with injuries that occurred LAST season.
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DW doesn't pack the mental fortitude to play in Cleveland, you can see it in his eyes on the sideline when he's facing adversity. Browns need to extend Chubb, because Ford ain't it, he tries hard but just spins wheels. We can't drop DW, won't we take a $70mm+ hit next year if we release hime because we kept restructuring his contract?
To me, still is all on the HC due to preparedness (or lack of it). Stefanski reminds me of Major Malcom Powers from Heartbreak Ridge, a lot of book smarts, but an ego so big he's a walking Charlie Foxtrot.
Simply this staff has run its course. We are no better than we were when they came on, and worse in several areas. Deep playoff run this year or blow it up. It’s time
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
We had 3rd and 4 at midfield with a chance to get back in the game and ran it. I said out loud why didn't we throw it? then we went for it on 4th and threw an incompletion. Things like that drive us fans crazy!!!
I felt like blitzing Dak early wasn't the right approach. Let our front 4 try to hit home vs their rookies and roll the coverage to Lamb. Take your chances that way.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Daniel jones ?? Come on. That dude is worse than Watson on his best day. Getting Flacco back wouldn’t be horrible
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
This was kinda sorta what I was expecting. Not because of anything except (1.) the tackle situation and the strength of the Cowboys pass rush and (2.) what appeared to be a very limited camp for the starters. They just had very little time practicing together as a unit.
I do expect we’ll improve as our guys play together more but until the OL gets sorted, we’re going to struggle on O.
The clock is seriously ticking on DW. If he doesn’t take a robust step forward in the coming months, we’re going to be looking to cut bait and rebooting the position in the offseason and that would mean lots of changes. Here’s to hoping beyond hope that he somehow, some way starts to click.
"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
My biggest concern the past two years has been that Watson will never come close to the player the Browns traded for.
- Watson is broken. At some point he will get injured and hang it up for the season. And the Browns are stuck with him. I expect the Watson/Stefanski relationship to sour at some point.
- After putting on a full court press to get the fans in the stadium and hyping this team, the Hslams have to be embarrassed and not happy that fans were loudly booing the team off the field by halftime.
- This team was completely unprepared to play today. That's on Stefanski.
- One first down in the first half. One. That's expansion year 1999 bad.
- Browns are fortunate next week's game is on the road.
- Were there any positives? Hopkins made his kicks. Bojorquez boomed some punts. Darden a couple nice returns.
- I see a team that looks like they do not believe in their QB.
- Super Bowl is a silly pipe dream
I can't help but think back on Warren Sharp's somewhat recent post on 'X' highlighting what Stefanski's offense did well (12 personnel) vs what Watson did well in the past (11 personnel) are like oil and water.
The clock is seriously ticking on DW. If he doesn’t take a robust step forward in the coming months, we’re going to be looking to cut bait and rebooting the position in the offseason and that would mean lots of changes.
The Browns can't cut bait.
Cutting Watson pre-June 1st cut in 2025 would result in $172M in dead cap. A post-June 1st cut would result in $118M in dead cap.
It doesn't appear they they can move on from him until 2027. You would have to just bench him and hope you stumble across a Brock Purdy.
I did like what I saw from Darden. He was BUSY too lol
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Watson was not game ready IMO. We miss Callahan immensely. Watson dropping back was barely able to outlet the offensive line back pedaling. He freezes on his first read. He HAS to be rested after camp and pre-season. So much lousy that I am not sure where you begin to fix. Listening to KS won't answer much. I was ashamed to watch this today. Tackle is not a part-time position in the NFL. Horrible line today.
Props to Dallas. They were ready to play. What we did to prepare to get us to this point, this game, didn't work well.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Watson has been trying to fit a square peg into a round hole for us since Day 1. He never wanted to be here, and still doesn't. Joe Flacco being here was the most fun and excitement this Team has had since the 2020-2021 season. Flacco fit the system perfectly.
I accept your judgment. Today was putrid, and it was one game. Is that to say it is only one game and an outlier if things are addressed and improve? Or is more accurate to say it is the first one of many coming?
I didn't see much variety in plays called. I did not see much in adjustments. I did see more of the same, especially in the "Three and Out" offensive package we ran all of the first half. That was made worse by the flags we collected for the laundromat. Even worse, I gagged when the glittering booth personality TB kept repeating we should stop going backwards at least nine times. For me, big name, little appeal. Gimme Bernie any day. When I tuned in, I was totally prepared to cheer and carry on, but I came around as the game wore on.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
I've seen people say that Watson simply isn't a good fit with KS and our franchise, and I truly believe that now. KS loves timing, particulars, etc ... and Watson likes one read and/or improvisation. Opposite sides of the coin.
Not to mention his diminished skills and lack of confidence. He's not even a top 32 QB in the league
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
That’s a big problem. For someone like me- an idiot that has nothing to lose- to speak about Deshawn like he’s the worst acquisition in sports history. - That’s one thing. Dan Orlovsky is a paid member of the media, someone whose life depends on what he says in public. For him to call for the backup qb, after one game, tells me that we have a very, very big problem on our hands. It isn’t normal for the media to call for the backup to replace a starter this early in the season.
I base it on the players demeanor too. Compare their body language and energy when Watson is the QB to when Flacco was (and I'm not saying Flacco should be the QB, just using it as an example)
Our players know Watson isn't the guy
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I really hate not playing our starters during the preseason. I understand there was a lot of teams that did that, and lead to a lot of sloppy play today.
Just the penalties on our team alone was horrible. We had a couple of huge plays negated by dumb penalties, and that kind of things can be ironed out in preseason.
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Watson looked like trash - again. He's played two outstanding games as a Brown. A few average games and a lot of trash games. Anyone trying to defend the trade isn't being honest.
OL looked like garbage - so we ran the ball 19 times and passed 45 times (with a QB that looked like crap). Stefanski clearly hasn't changed. Add to that how poorly coached we looked and the penalties. Ey ey ey. Painful for a team we all thought was on the cusp of turning things around and becoming a perennial division contender.
Rationalizing:
We barely played starters in the pre-season - didn't like it but this performance to be expected and will 100% improve. Stefanski has done great with other QB's of lesser talent it's inconceivable he can't get Watson to play well at the QB position.
Injuries - what did we expect from the OL and a QB with a sore shoulder. Some might not have let injuries to the OL or a torn laburnum be an excuse for previous players but the reality is it's hard to play well when the OL is so porous and the D knows your passing.
It's one game - let's not over react. Bengals and Ravens both lost. Only Pit won -- we'll be fine. Let's talk about the team after week 4.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
If the will and the desire isn’t inside him then there’s no hope.
This’s the danger when we offer a fortune of guaranteed money to a questionable character with a history of quitting when things don’t go his way. I don’t want to draw too many conclusions after one game but…
a) he doesn’t look to be in his best physical shape b) his thought processes looks slower than ever c) where was his fighting instincts and his pride to not look like a failure?
Kevin Stefanski
a) once again his gameplan and game calling was questionable b) how can the team look unprepared in our first game at home? c) continuing doing the same thing over and over again without any significant improvements raise serious questions
Andrew Berry
Restructuring Watson’s contract before the season starts without knowing what kind of player you get must be a sackable offense. You simply don’t sell the skin before you shot the bear. Are you kidding me!
One step forward, two steps back. I really really hope that I’m wrong.
Every part of the game had some sort of foul odor.
I don't boo my team in game one. I can't fault those who did, I felt like booing. I just looked at my wife and left after the OSU band played. I think empty seats sends a better message. Plus, booing takes far more energy than just walking away.
The loss doesn't bother me so much. I always felt that a possibility. I just didn't expect us to look like a bunch of unprepared punks out there.
But, it's not about how you start, it's about how you finish, so let's see where this goes.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Just an overall crappy Sunday for all facets of the team-- offense, defense, ST. This team looked overwhelmed and underprepared from the jump. It seemed to me that the game plan was to ease DW in with some short/quick passes to get him going AND address the Cowboys D with both tackles out. When the wheels came off, DW looked tentative and having to pass more gave the Cowboys D the leverage in terms of what to call against our offense.
First, on DW. He seemed worse than game one last year against the Bengals and we are concerned then. I truly hope the idea that he improves as the season wears on is true because we won't go anywhere with this type of play. That said, our OL was struggling. Often times, DW has ZERO time to make a play and pressure what always a factor. We needed some sort of running game and didn't get it. Granted, when you go down a bunch of points early you tend to abandon the running game and I understand that.
In the first half our DL provided little pressure against two rookie OL for the Cowboys. The Cowboys doubled/tripled Garrett and no one else could really make a play outside of that Tomlinson hit early. Prescott had more time to throw than Watson and it helped their offense.
Our WR did Watson no favors with what felt like a bunch of drops. That end zone throw to Cooper was beautiful and Cooper normally brings that in.
Penalties took the Browns out of offensive drives early.
Again, just a poor performance all around. We need to get the OL healthy FAST.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Agreed - not the loss that I was dismayed about. I knew this would be a 50/50 game at best. It's HOW we looked. Gosh, it was bad.
My biggest two concerns:
1. Watson. Obviously. He is COOKED man.
2. Our OL. This is another big issue. Our OTs are not even substandard level. And the G's are getting too old (both of them were beat by speed multiple times yesterday)
Dallas is a legit team with talent and Super Bowl aspirations. We didn't look nearly the part yesterday.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Safe to say the Watson trade is a failure. Perhaps the worst trade since '99 and maybe before too. Now we're married to a guy who sucks both on the field and off of it.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
The rest of the AFC North (other than Baltimore) looked like hot garbage as well, and the Bengals and Steelers were playing the likes of Patriots and Falcons. The season isn't over after week 1 and if our Oline stabilizes when we get our tackles back, then this will end up being a bump in the road.
I was expecting the offense to be bad, especially when Conklin couldn't go. What kinda surprised me was that our D ended up being so middle-of-the-road. Contrast that to the Steelers... they won off of 6 field goals. If our D is supposed to win us some games, they gotta play better than that. Not excusing the O, but they are going to get all the heat when the defense similarly didn't step up.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I understand the difficulty of having to play without our two starting OTs. But as an offensive staff, you know this going into the game and you know that Micah Parsons is on the other side of the line of scrimmage. Can you NOT game plan for that? Also, to NOT play a lot of these guys in the preseason with a NEW offensive system was a HUGE mistake. Watson looks awful; it always looks like hero/street ball with him. Most of the time he REFUSES to throw the ball away or go down. This can only lead to ANOTHER injury. But hey, he gets paid so who cares, right? Getting back to the OT situation, did anyone watch the Rams/Lions last night? The Rams had SEVERAL OL out AND lost their #1 WR during the game. Somehow they battled back only to lose in OT. I wonder what the difference was? If I'm in Berea, I'm on the phone right NOW seeing what it will take to get Flacco back here. There is WAY too much talent on this team to waste for ANOTHER year. I'm tired of the Watson experiment. He's either injured or doesn't want to play anymore. He got paid. He's done. All his press room rhetoric isn't hiding anything. He's not the leader or the QB talent that the Cleveland Browns need to be a winner. Joe Flacco IS that guy. I mean, he can't play any worse, right? I'd gamble on his upside. I don't see any upside to Watson at this point. Pay him and cut him. It's time to win in Cleveland and that time is NOW. Go Browns!
After 55 years, I'm walking away from this dumpster fire. Good luck to everyone who continues to hang on. You'll need it.
I truthfully don't see ONE thing that Watson does well. He has no arm, no eyes, out of shape, one read guy, not elusive like he used to be, not a leader, poor body language ... he rivals ANY bad QB we've ever had (Kizer, Manziel, Weeden)
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I saw it in some body language from DW late in the game. Any predictions, dawgs, as far as an over/under until DW chooses to be injured this season. The bullets flew yesterday, and we proved the skipped work and preparation we avoided paid no benefit. Just looked like he was broken in so many ways.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
I'd say Watson won't (and shouldn't) last past week 6. We won't beat the Jags, Eagles .. or maybe even the Commanders and Raiders. If we are like 1-5 he's done
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
The team that was out there yesterday's best chance to win games are the next two weeks. If we continue to get what we saw, we will struggle to win three of the first eleven games.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I'm not going to jump on the "bash watson and the team train." Not that they don't deserve it. Not that those who have are wrong. Most everything negative I've seen posted in this thread is correct when referencing this game. It sucked and not just in one phase of the game, but by all accounts, most phases of the game. Not much positive to take away from this performance.
I just don't feel me repeating all of it adds any value. It's all been said by others already. So at this point all I would be doing is piling on.
As far as how I felt while watching the game and afterwords, it does not seem quite as bad as the reactions I've seen from some others. I think that has something to do with how I felt before the game ever started. I don't think I had the expectations some other fans did. Having high expectations when reality indicates there could be a boat load of trouble only serves to set yourself up for a huge letdown. There's a big difference between hope and expectations. I actually felt there was a strong possibility I would witness what I saw yesterday. Maybe not such a poor performance in all phases but I was prepared for bad results.
What I had and still have is hope that things will get better. When using hope there's no expectation. Just the desire to see something better.
As for my biggest positive after this game? We are in three way tie for second place in the division and only one game behind the first place team.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
one thing thats not been mentioned (from what I've seen):
our STs giving up a punt return TD ... those always add fuel to the fire of a blowout. IIRC the score was 20-3 and then that just added to the embarrassment. Our ST's has to be better
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Not defending DW but let's face it, he had no time to throw. Sacked 6 times hit many more times hurried. He took a beating. If he wasn't under so much pressure he may have done better.
Again, to be fair DW had no time to throw. He was rushed the whole game and was hit numerous of times. Some of his poor performance rests on him but not all. There were also some dropped balls that hurt us one by Njoku. DW looked frustrated when the cameras were on him. I don't think he wants to fail guaranteed money or not.
I think what you'll also find is that when he did have time he held the ball. I'm not discounting what you're saying here but even when he did have time to throw the ball it didn't seem to help. The average time a QB has without pressure on a typical play is two seconds. I believe if you look back at the game you'll find when he did have that 2+ second window the results really weren't any different.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Watson is simply not good .. and I'd take it as far as to say he's awful
2021 - never played a snap Year 1 - suspended 10 games, returned and was below average Year 2 - played below average with the exception of 3 quarters, then was hurt for the final 12 games Year 3 - results are not trending in the right direction
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Not defending DW but let's face it, he had no time to throw. Sacked 6 times hit many more times hurried. He took a beating. If he wasn't under so much pressure he may have done better.
How many of those were due to the fact he held onto the ball way too long and did not see actual open receivers?
imagine our WRs going from Flacco to Watson. Just a nightmare
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Not defending DW but let's face it, he had no time to throw. Sacked 6 times hit many more times hurried. He took a beating. If he wasn't under so much pressure he may have done better.
No doubt some. Our O has not played together much. In practice yes but not real games. I thought they should have played more in preseason games as most of us said. It showed yesterday. I'm not ready to give up on him yet although I am concerned about his play thus far. He has plenty of games left to turn things around. If he doesn't improve in the next 3-4 games then yes something has to be done. We have too much talent on this team to waste a season.
Not defending DW but let's face it, he had no time to throw. Sacked 6 times hit many more times hurried. He took a beating. If he wasn't under so much pressure he may have done better.
That's what I had suspected but did not have the stats to support it. Thanks for making things clearer.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Not defending DW but let's face it, he had no time to throw. Sacked 6 times hit many more times hurried. He took a beating. If he wasn't under so much pressure he may have done better.
That's what I had suspected but did not have the stats to support it. Thanks for making things clearer.
From the Jason Lloyd article…
• Watson averaged 4.16 seconds to throw per pressured dropback Sunday, the eighth-best time under pressure. On sacks that resulted from pressure, he held the ball for 4.29 seconds, the sixth-best time in Week 1.
• On the six sacks he did take, his average time to throw was 4.87 seconds — which ranked 10th.
• Since he joined the Browns in 2022, Watson has been the slowest from snap to throw on pressured dropbacks of any quarterback across the league (4.60 seconds). Tom Brady, who coincidentally called the game for Fox, was the fastest at 3.26 seconds.
Boy do we miss Callahan. He had tons of O-line injuries last year and did light years better than what happened Week 1, especially with all the OL penalties.
and Ford was basically a nothing yesterday. He's as average as it gets .. leaves so many yards on the field, can't push a pile, just Meh
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
• Since he joined the Browns in 2022, Watson has been the slowest from snap to throw on pressured dropbacks of any quarterback across the league (4.60 seconds). Tom Brady, who coincidentally called the game for Fox, was the fastest at 3.26 seconds.
Weren't we saying the exact same thing about Mayfield when that debacle was underway? Not a whattabout... I'm wondering if there is more at play here.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I know the OL had some issues yesterday, but there were ample times where Watson had a clean pocket and then bailed. I can't wait to be rid of the guy...2.5 years from now...
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Weren't we saying the exact same thing about Mayfield when that debacle was underway? Not a whattabout... I'm wondering if there is more at play here.
oobs...wondering are you..?
Maybe a replay of the last time the Browns came up with a grand scheme like tanking for draft picks and starting the rebuild process again...who knows..?
Safe to say the Watson trade is a failure. Perhaps the worst trade since '99 and maybe before too. Now we're married to a guy who sucks both on the field and off of it.
It might be leaning that way, but 1 game in to the season might be a bit premature. You might want to save it for another several games.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Weren't we saying the exact same thing about Mayfield when that debacle was underway? Not a whattabout... I'm wondering if there is more at play here.
oobs...wondering are you..?
Maybe a replay of the last time the Browns came up with a grand scheme like tanking for draft picks and starting the rebuild process again...who knows..?
Not this season, or at least this early. Now if we only win 5 games this year, we might start some level of rebuild.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
So, of those 10 or so pass pays, I saw him under pressure perhaps 3 times. I saw him run INTO pressure about 3 times. I also saw him bail on the pocket a lot.
The OL wasn't good, but it wasn't the main problem yesterday. Watson is literal garbage
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Watson was terrible.. He gets paid way too much for not producing. I'd rather have Flacco back. This is going to be a long season if he doesn't improve.
It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Fair enough, but if I had to choose between Dorsey/Freddy/Baker or Berry/Stefanski/Deshawn, I’d go with the former.
Exactly right. If I recall correctly, under Kitchens we had two 1000 yard wide receivers, and a 1000 yard running back in a single season. Baker was balling out too.
I think the year we had two 1000 yard receivers, Landry and OBJ, was Kitchens year as HC. Baker played lousy and Kitchens was fired.
That was a wild year. Monken knew he was getting fired and didn’t bother going to the locker room at halftime in the final game vs Cincy. Went and grabbed some hot dogs with the press box folks.
Lots of 4am strip club stories/rumors on the night before the Browns vs AZ game during the Kitchens year.
The offense that was made for DW to excel was not enough.
He was so bad that now everyone inside of the building has to have doubts. Take away all efforts by every player on offense a look solely at the play of DW.
Outside of a couple of throws that were obvious and relatively easy. His awareness to see the open man and deliver a ball accurately and on time was non existent.
He didn't see targets that were open. He was late on throws. He was inaccurate in ways that looked unexplainable.
This game did not leave the impression that a few things needed to be cleaned up.
Deshaun Watson did not look like an NFL quarterback that should be starting for any team.
I saw no redeeming qualities in his performance at all. He played like a guy with no map on how to play.
thats what I said too . there literally isn't ONE thing I like about Watson or his game or his demeanor. He is trash
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I know that when me and my son were looking at preseason games before he started up this year at college, we picked the game with Minny, because as I put it to him...There isn't no way that after coming back from being off, that Stefanski would go through the whole preseason and give his first unit some work together to work on fundamentals, timing etc. And Watson has to get in some work.
Well Kev sat most of the starters and again we start the year looking like crap.
And I remembered that during the Minny week Zac Jackson come out with something that really bothered me about Watson. And it looks like it aged well.
Horrible in almost every aspect of the game... OL looked awful... no running game... Watson looked lost... Defense looked average until they burnt out in the second half... hope we improve next week but man that was awful to watch...
Tim Couch was ragged on by national media for being a bust. All I know: if Tim Couch circa 1999-2001 was on this current team we would be extremely good
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Ranking all NFL quarterbacks by QBR Here's how all 32 NFL starters stack up using their 2024 QBR after Week 1 of the NFL season:
Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills (QBR: 89.9) Anthony Richardson, Indianapolis Colts (87.5) Baker Mayfield, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (85.9) Derek Carr, New Orleans Saints (84.9) Brock Purdy, San Francisco 49ers (83.9) Kyler Murray, Arizona Cardinals (83.2) Jacoby Brissett, New England Patriots (82.2) Sam Darnold, Minnesota Vikings (81.0) C.J. Stroud, Houston Texans (73.6) Geno Smith, Seattle Seahawks (72.2) Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs (69.6) Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens (65.1) Matt Stafford, Los Angeles Rams (62.9) Trevor Lawrence, Jacksonville Jaguars (62.8) Joe Burrow, Cincinnati Bengals (55.8) Aaron Rodgers, New York Jets (51.1) Tua Tagovailoa, Miami Dolphins (48.4) Justin Fields, Pittsburgh Steelers (42.6) Jayden Daniels, Washington Commanders (41.5) Jalen Hurts, Philadelphia Eagles (38.8) Jared Goff, Detroit Lions (38.1) Justin Herbert, Los Angeles Chargers (31.5) Bo Nix, Denver Broncos (31.3) Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys (30.9) Will Levis, Tennessee Titans (30.8) Gardner Minshew, Las Vegas Raiders (29.5) Kirk Cousins, Atlanta Falcons (28.9) Caleb Williams, Chicago Bears (22.0) Jordan Love, Green Bay Packers (20.4) Daniel Jones, New York Giants (16.6) Bryce Young, Carolina Panthers (10.5) Deshaun Watson, Cleveland Browns (9.3)
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
As much as people focus on the starters not playing in preseason, of the teams that did start them most didn't start them for more than one quarter of play. Yet somehow there are certain people that don't realize that would have all been negated by the beginning of the second quarter in the Cowboys game. So yeah, that's not it.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Orlovsky is right. And again, I ask “Why in the heck would we trade for a qb that doesn’t fit Stefanski’s system? Why in the heck would we trade for a qb who had a slew of unresolved legal issues? And why in the heck would we do the aforementioned and give the guy over 230 million guaranteed?”
The only partial answer that I can think of is that the NFL wanted the Browns to take this mess off of Houston’s hands. One of you smart people can take it from there. The whole dang thing makes zero sense.
I’d say our resident billionaire called the shots thinking he would walk right into a championship… DW never returned to top 5 QB form and here we sit with a broken QB, the one we ran off is playing top 10 ball, and the billionaire has egg on his face. As soon as I heard what they were thinking about I lost all faith in the owner. After the trade, I stuck around reluctantly. Now, I’m going to watch this season without ragging on them as much as they deserve, and just expect less until they show me the have it figured out. I trust Ski and Berry, and I think DW is simply not living up to his end of their deal. I see a guy going through the motions biding his time. I don’t think he ever wanted to be here. 230 million reasons changed his mind, then the fans hated him.
No live action for the starters was a huge mistake. I agree with the guy above. It looked like they weren't ready for the game. That being said, the tackle situation was devastating, it wouldn't surprise me that KS felt the same way and called the game he did. In reality, the whole team took a crap.
Maybe we should ask DW what other teams he’d like to play for and see if we can trade him there. We can probably pay some of his salary to make it happen. Of course after the last two years and our first game it might be difficult. 😣
yeah, that's about right. Watson is so cooked and we are stuck
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
A trade could work if we pay 75% of DW's salary for the team he goes to. Then maybe the Browns can deduct it on their income tax return!!! Problem solved!!
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I have a solution to how we can get DW to play like a top 5 QB. We'll trade him to the Steelers!!! Straight up for Russel Wilson. They need a QB right? We'll also offer to pay part of his salary. Maybe we can get the Steelers to send us a conditional 5th round pick. Sounds like a win win for both parties!!
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