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LMAO.

Man Baker has been flat awful, even worse than when he was injured .... the Browns would have such a better record if he wasn't our starter.

You guys need to let it go - that hate you are clinging to is not good for your soul.

Dolphins game last night was difficult to watch. Aside from the injury, they definitely did not look like a 3-0 team. Their pass rush was bad. They left their DBs to hang out to dry on top of that. Their DBs' ball awareness also did not seem to be too great. It did not seem like their offense had much of a sense of urgency either.

The Bengals, on the other hand, look to be returning to last year's form. Crazy what Burrow can do when he's got time.

Hope Tua's okay.

Back to Tua.

This thing is blowing up. I've been watching an NFL show about this and all kinds of people are weighing in. According to the NFL's policy on concussions, there is no way Tua should have played last night. He clearly checked all of the boxes for having a concussion on Sunday.

I don't know all the terminology and I apologize for that, but here are some points to consider.

--The NFL and NFLPA jointly appoint an independent medical person to help evaluate those suspected of having an concussion and he works w/the team's head medical doctor to determine whether or not the player can return to a game.

--Miami originally said Tua had a head injury on Sunday. They later changed it to a back injury.

--According to league policy, the fact that Tua [on Sunday] grabbed his head, had wobbly legs, collapsed to the ground, etc.......[I believe this is called Gross Motor Instability] he should have never been permitted to re-enter the game. Additionally, he should have been placed in Concussion protocol.

--They had a medical expert on and she was talking about how you can diagnose an ACL tear, torn tendons, broken bones, sprains, etc......but, there is no clear-cut method to determine if a person has a concussion. Thus, they rely on signs and verbal tests and apparently tests that are on the computer. Ultimately, the team's lead medical doctor determines if the player is good to go for the next game. Again, remember it was determined by the independent league's doctor and team's doctor on Sunday that it was a back injury.

--Given Miami's recent history of tampering w/other team's players and the accusation of trying to pay their HC to lose games.......is anyone really buying that the team acted appropriately?

--Something big is going to go down! I wonder who will be the fall guy? Also, I think there will be changes to the rules and/or how they are followed.

For those of you who have not seen the Tua clip from Sunday, check this out and tell me that isn't a concussion. It also screams of the term Gross Motor Instability. He should have never been permitted to return to that game and allowed to play last night.

Here is Adam Schefter explaining Gross Motor Instability. It starts around 2:20.

Tee Higgins might be the best WR in the NFL nobody talks about
He roasted Xaian Howard who is All Pro CB.
Cincy held Waddle and Hill out of the end zone not easy to do

I liked the way their helmets looked but their uniforms were just blah. Did not like.

Not a bad game at all to watch. Hopefully Tua will be okay. That was hard to watch, after he got hit.

I don’t disagree. The impact and bounce back trauma of the brain moving is extremely dangerous.

I recall reading something about boxing that is related. Back in the old days of bare knuckle boxing the boxers concentrated on body shots. Certainly traumatic but they weren’t damaging their brains. The development of boxing gloves resulted in head shots leading to the danger of a damaged brain. One wonders what we will see with MMA guys as they hit their 40’s, 50’s and 60’s.

Of course, I have heard commercials on the radio whining about the alleged pussification of football. Players today are faster, stronger and weigh more than players of the past. F=MA doesn’t give a damn about you nor do the momentum equations of physics.

Better helmets can help, but they are not the cure-all. It was reported today that the Guardian helmets that we saw at the Training Camps this summer that if one player has the Guardian on, it would reduce concussions by 10% and if both players were wearing the Guardians, concussions would be reduced by 20%. So, that helps......but, there is way more to it.

A lot of concussions can also "occur from a fall or a blow to the body that causes the head to move rapidly back and forth." What happens is the head stops, but your brain keeps moving in your head and that causes the trauma. I have experienced both types of concussions. I had seven altogether and they ended my playing days. That was way back in the 1970s when there was no such thing as a concussion protocol and coaches would shame players into playing. As players, many of us would play through these injuries because we wanted to stay on the field and/or not lose our job. I'm sure that mentality still exists for many players.

Look, concussions are going to occur in football. Focus must be on following the protocols and perhaps tweaking those policies to prevent these players from returning to the field before they should.

Please don't take this as me arguing w/you. Take it for what it is..........knowledge.

I agree. higgins is a really good wr

There is zero chance that he should have been allowed to continue to play after that.

I watched Baker's presser from yesterday after watching the Moore clip. A lot of the same rhetoric he used to say here...everyone do their jobs...it's the little things...etc. But mostly he looked like he wasn't enjoying football anymore. I mentioned this months ago long before he was traded and it was another thing I took a lot of personal jabs on, but I think the NFL is harder than he thought it was going to be, he isn't having any fun, and I can see him walking away. He's mentioned several times the difference between college and the pros and I don't think it's turned out the way he thought. Plus, I think he underestimated the amount of work it would require to be good and just doesn't know how to fix that.

He's been really bad so far. I feel bad for him a little. He still brought some good times to the fans in Cleveland. From a football standpoint I am glad we moved on, even if Brissett regresses. Just doesn't seem Baker is long for the league.

Baker will join College Gameday or something along those lines before he accepts role as a career back-up a la the Colt McCoy route.

Sounds a lot like Johnny Manziel. We sure know how to draft QB's don't we?

j/c

I notice how it seems everyone is jumping to the conclusion that the responsibility and decision about Tua having a concussion last week lies with Miami's medical staff. That somehow it was the team that cleared Tua to go back into the game. However, when looking at how NFL protocol works the team doctors do not have the final say and there are actually three Neurotrauma Consultants that monitor the entire process.....


It seems to me if anyone dropped the ball here it was the professionals hired to monitor such situations by the NFL.

Obsession is an interesting thing to watch play out.

Even when Baker was here he alluded to Oklahoma and college A LOT. I think he loved playing in college and his love for the NFL has waned.

He’s really not a good QB right now for whatever reason

The worst thing that happened to Faker Gayfield was him breaking
Peyton Manning's TD record for rookie QBs.
It gave him a already bigger ego and Baker thought he had arrived
As a QB. He felt he didn't need a QB coach or a anykind
Of help in the offseason
Then what happened. Year 2 he went backwards
He was even as quoted as saying he thought the game would
Come easy.
In short..Baker has never had a strong work ethic in the NFL.
And it showed on filmed. The film doesn't lie.
Yet his fanclub doesn't hold him accountable for his regression
In play. Stefanski did a great job of hiding Mayfields shortcomings
But a HC can only hide so much

Faker Gayfield?

You're obsessed... or struggling through puberty. Seek help.

Lighten up Francis. I'm don't have maturity issues.
This is a nameless. Faceless message board
We talk football politics etc.
Some people are so thin skinned
Regarding Mayfield . It's funny how people get so bent out of
Shape over a football player who could care less
About anyone on this board

Oh I agree. Gay slurs are cool as long as it's a nameless, faceless message board !

i don't know why - none of the 'purples' look right to me.

Gay slurs are not cool. Don't lower yourself to their level.

Lower himself to whose level?? Others are using gay slurs??

I’m glad it seems like he’s doing fine today, but we also know these things can linger and/or appear later too.

Hopefully it’s a wake up call for the NFL

Well, we can't all have a top 5 rapey QB.

As I understand things, it isn't just the team medical staff. I think the NFL or NFLPA has doctors who also review the findings of the team staff. Maybe what happened this week has nothing to do with what happened last week?

I don't think team Dr's are employees of the team. They are contracted by the team. There is a difference. The Browns use University Hospitals as their team's health care provider. I don't think the team influences the Dr's assigned to the team.

I do understand that you have some specific knowledge on this matter.

Agreed. It was unsettling to see that.

at minimum Tua should sit the next 2-3 games.. A concussion/hit hard enough to induce a fencing response is no joke and NFl concussion protocol is a joke if they think he's good to go, Had no business playing Thurs and def should be out for a few games.. NfL acts like they care about safety until it starts to slow down ticket sales. Tua is injury prone as it is and back to back head to turf and letting him play is not in best interest of the player.. Regardless of what the "specialists" have to say, the team should to the right thing. Tua is an easy guy to root for, hate to see him screwed over by the team not thinking about safety ala Colts/Luck

Reminder: there is a game at 9:30 this morning

I saw where the NFLPA has terminated the independent medical consultant related to the Tua deal.

I guess we are always looking for someone to blame.

The team Dr's saw no reason he couldn't play. The independent Dr. saw no reason he couldn't play. That leaves me with a few thoughts.


1. The injuries may have had nothing to do with the other and it was just a chance draw of the cards.

2. We also act like Dr.s know everything. That simply isn't the case, especially when you start dealing with neurological issues. Tua complained about a back issue but everybody concentrated on a concussion. The spine and brain are connected. Watching the hit on Thursday, the twisting of the back seemed pretty bad to my untrained eyes as the head hitting the turf didn't seem all that bad.

While I agree w/you and peen, I maintain that anyone who has ever had a concussion or played the sport and have seen others w/a concussion, there was no doubt that Tua had a concussion. It was criminal to put him back on the field Sunday and then start him on Thursday.

As I said before [and this is not me talking, it's the medical expert that one of the network's rely on]......you can use things like MRIs to determine ACL tears, shoulder issues, etc. You can see visible swelling w/sprains and the like. You can identify an irregular heartbeat and other issues. They refer to Concussions as The Black Hole because you can't accurately diagnose them like the other issues. This is not just true in sports, but for everyone out there...i.e. a person involved in a car crash. They determine if they someone has a concussion by symptoms, physical signs [like the staggering and grabbing one's head,] and a series of questions.

Thus, the thinking is that you error on the side of caution. Again, I had 7 of the damn things!!! Once you get one, the others come easier. And this is real important to anyone who doesn't know this and is reading this. The biggest issue w/concussions is what they do to people 15, 20, 25 years down the road. We have had players taking their own lives due to CET. Many of us suffer from things like depression, mood swings, etc. It's not a joking matter.

So, while I agree w/you guys that the NFL is to blame because of things like playing on cement fields, their quest for money, etc, we have to accept the fact that football is an extremely violent game and you will never be rid of concussions. They are a part of the game and while helmet improvements and playing on natural turf will help, concussions will always occur in football. Therefore, when one displays clear signs of a concussion.........you certainly don't trot him right back out there. Again, seeing Tua's head slam off the ground, him grabbing for it immediately, getting shakily up to his feet, stumbling on wobbly legs and falling while grabbing his head again should have told anyone involved that there was no way he should have been permitted to play.

Saints/Vikes is a snooze fest thus far. Dalton is so vanilla