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When put like that, Tampa is a solid choice. Kick in the fact that Tampa is a much nicer place to live and has a coach that is very creative in the passing game, the choice becomes easier.

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I know there are no actual legs to any of this, and everyone with a Twitter account has "inside sources" and all. But I have a question. A big hypothetical.

Say we do end up trading for Watson. So, Baker is somewhere, whether that is Houston or not (they may like Mills). I am sure most everyone thinks Watson will be suspended for some period of time. Four games, 6, 8, whatever. Who would we put out there under center while Watson is serving his suspension? Keenum? Or do we try to replace Case this year with Mariota or Trubisky or someone (I would be on board with that no matter who we have start at QB, even Baker)?

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Go get him Saints

It doesn’t matter what teams offer really. Watson is going to pick a spot.

"The price hasn’t changed – three first-round picks and more"

If Watson were smart he would pick one team so that that team could pay less for him.

Completely agree with you... I like Baker... pray he does well... but Watson is a clear upgrade...

I'm curious to see what the NFL does... I've heard some say that he likely won't be suspended because he's essentially been out a year already (of course he choose to sit out).

If there's a chance to get him I think you have to explore it... I still don't expect us to get him, but I appreciate the FO exploring the option, because he'd be a huge upgrade at QB.... and that's not bashing Baker... there are few QBs better than Watson

Three firsts is steep....

Agreed. If the team can move on from Baker, they will. Not saying it's the right or wrong decision, but it is what it is.

Good thing Baker turned off his social media accounts. Phew!

Criminal court cases are about what you can prove in court, not about what happened. And no, I don't believe the tired old line, "They're all a bunch of gold diggers" to explain away 22 women. That's why it matters. It's not one woman, or even ten women. At some point people need to step up and admit the man is a scum bag. What number would that be for you? 30,50 women? People such as yourself keep bringing up criminal charges and criminal convictions.

That has nothing to do with it actually. It has to do with do you want all of the heat, the negative attention and upcoming civil lawsuits associated with this guy? Because those lawsuits have been filed. They're pending and they're coming. We will look like the laughing stock of the NFL. We will be torn to shreds in the press and among the NFL fan base. This will be a huge distraction to this team. If this FO trades for him, we will deserve every bit of it. Then you can explain to your wife and possibly daughters why you support this guy.

He tried to pay them off already. Some of them refused to settle so they continue. Are you suggesting he tried to silence and settle with all these women when he did nothing wrong? Well alrighty then. I wonder why even after the criminal charges were dropped that Houston still wants to dump they guy? As hard as it is to find a franchise QB why would they still be doing that? Probably because they know a lot of things you don't.

Because he refused to play for them?

Sure, that's it. Sounds like a pretty good cover story and it's perfectly reasonable to believe that coming from a man who has 22 women making accusations he keeps denying. Becase you know, 22 women are lying and he's the only one telling the truth. He most certainly sounds like the credible one in the story.

He requested the trade before the accusations.

It doesn’t take a genius to see that the Texans were/are the worst run organization in the league.

So now you try to change the subject. How many players who request a trade sit out the season? Let's look at it from a strategic point of view.

Do you really think that a billion dollar+ corporation, which is what every NFL team actually is, are obligated contractually to pay a player that refuses to play? You don't actually think that there aren't clauses in NFL contracts that allow teams not to pay players that refuses to play the game?

Because Watson was paid his base salary of 1054 mil. last year.

That's what you would have to believe to say Watson refused to play. That doesn't make sense.

Watson; "I refuse to play for you."

Texans; "That's okay. We're going to pay you your base salary anyway."

Yeah, that happened.

It should also be noted that of the main teams thought to be considering going after Watson - CAR, NOS, CLE, TBB, PHI, and SEA - only CLE is actually a run first team with SEA wanting to be a run first team according to the published riff between Wilson and Carroll. IMHO, Watson is not going to go to a team that reduces his skill set of passing the ball.

I believe that the words "thought to be" are the most important ones in your post.

Do you think the most analytically inclined team in the league would not adjust their offense with a top five QB?

I think Watson requested a trade, the accusations came out, and then the team paid the problem to go away. If the accusations never happened Watson would have been on a different team for the 2021 season.

That certainly makes a lot more sense. Or the Texans refused to play him after all this came out.. By refusing to play him they would have been obligated to pay him, which paying him is what they did.

Houston doesn't want to dump him... Watson refused to play for them again... after Bill O'Brien was fired Watson didn't like how the FO handled the GM and Coaching search as they didn't include him in any of the decision making.... So Watson said he'd never play for them again and asked to be traded. After he asked to be traded all the stuff with the accusations came out.

Yeah, the team paid over 10mil. to someone who refused to play. I've got some ocean front property in Utah for sale as well. It sounds like you've decided to take the word of someone who claims 22 women are lying.

What would you have Houston do? Because of the accusations they got put in a horrible spot... he was un-tradable because so much was unknown... he refused to play... so could they have fined him or refused to pay him? Sure, but that would have been mess as hell and the fan base would have been really ticked (of course a lot of the fans are pissed at the current owner anyway).

So the Texans did what I think was the only real solution... they paid him his base rate to basically keep his rights so they could trade him if his legal battles got more clear...

I think if Watson said he would play again for the Texans, they would name him the starter immediately.

I think he's a creep and did something... obviously wasn't enough evidence to bring criminal charges... but as I just posted, it was a no win situation for the Texans... I personally think they did about the best they could with the situation...

The FO has made a ton of mistakes... but there was no great way to handle Watson once the accusations came out

Actually, no I do not think Stefanski would change or adjust his offense for a top five QB. He's old school and believes ball control and a strong defense while scoring 17-20 points is the formula to win in the NFL. Stefanski wins games but when behind he's at a gross disadvantage because he refuses to use the skill set of his players. Now, in 2020 he had OBJ, Landry, Higgins and Hooper and was in the bottom 1/2 of the league in passing. Stefanski won and made the playoffs with his scheme. In 2021, all the same players, though the injury bug hit, but the Browns passing offense regressed to the bottom 1/3 of the league. In 2019, the Browns were 14th in passing and 17th in 2018. The Browns passing offense has steadily regressed from what it was in 2019.

So, NO, I don't think the most analytically inclined team in the league will adjust their offense with a Stefanski in charge. Waited all year last year for him to make some much needed adjustments that never came.........

It isn't a tough situation at all. You don't get paid if you refuse to play. It's actually very cut and dry. If you refuse to play you have broken your contractual obligation to play the game. However, if you refuse to play the player, it's you who are still obligated to pay him. He at that point would not be at fault for sitting on the bench.

If the prosecutors could not indite then I see Watson as an innocent man. Innocent UNTIL proven guilty. That is what our Countries standards are. Not I agree with 22 women over 1 man. If he did obvious atrocities there would have been an indictment. The Grand Jury ruled and now he is considered an innocent man. Who are we to hold him to another standard? If the Browns trade for him I will be excited because if that were to happen the FO and the coaches must see him as an upgrade. I mean Mayfield is not a saint either, He supported a murder last year to not get executed and caused the victims family additional pain.

Again, you wanted Stefanski to pass more last year when the QB was broken and/or terrible and the two tackles were hurt and/or terrible. We all know.

and thats the crutch of the issue: morals.

i've said when the news first dropped that at minimum, what Watson did was creepy as all hell. but being a creep and being immoral isn't illegal. he will probably face some sort of suspension - maybe 4-6 weeks - but who knows?

but no matter how i feel about that, he's not facing criminal charges. and at the end of the day, this is football. we're not voting for an elected official, or asking Watson to run a church. we need him to play QB and lead us to deep playoff runs.

so just from the pure football aspect, if we can find a way to restructure Landry's contract and have him and Cooper as the top 2 targets on a team, Watson will do wonders. Hell, in the most likely scenario that we keep Baker, he's REALLY not gonna have any excuses.

but thats why we have to try and get Watson after all. one QB is already a certified franchise QB, who we can realistically dream about actual division titles and deep playoff runs. the other is "well, he has no excuses now so lets hope he finally proves to be a franchise QB."

MKC is getting torn apart on Twitter for this lol

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You do realize people are just repeating the same rumor over and over again, right?

"In the end Watson will play."

And I hope it is with the Browns. I like Baker, and know his injuries hampered his season, along with Oline injuries and many players out due to covid. But Watson is an elite player. He is way better than Baker on every level. Adding him to this roster, gives you the best QB this franchise has seen since Bernie. This is not a slight on Baker, it is the facts about Watson.