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Another DT I like if Neil Farrell, LSU. Plays with great game strength.


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I do not know which strategy is better. I would say that BPA is always the way to go. You are building for the long term. I would say that if you have two guys w/the very same grade or stacked right next to each other on your vertical board, say 43 and 44, you might want to go to your Horizontal board next. After those two things were considered and the two guys were still viewed almost equally, I would then turn to the age factor and take the younger guy. However, I don't think it's a good idea to have a younger player jump jump guys who are higher on your Vertical board. It's just my opinion, but I think it would be a mistake to put age ahead of your rankings on the Vertical and Horizontal boards.

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These so called "Experts" have pushed a group of average at best QB's up the draft boards when the draft talk began not One of them were projected as a first rounder, now they think its possible 4 could make it into the first round, that's good news for us thumbsup


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This year’s QB class has a very Christian Ponder/Blaine Gabbert feel to it.
Guys that’ll be taken in the first round that have no real first round qualities to warrant being taken in the first round.


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Originally Posted by PortlandDawg
This year’s QB class has a very Christian Ponder/Blaine Gabbert feel to it.
Guys that’ll be taken in the first round that have no real first round qualities to warrant being taken in the first round.

That's what I'm talking about thumbsup


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Willis has potential but is far from ready to play.

I compared Pickett to AJ McCarron.

Ridder could pan out. The rest look like long shots.

For sure there is not that standout. It would be hard to be a GM and put your career on the line for any of these guys.

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I've seen some breakdowns on Ridder (maybe here?) that made him look like a stud in the waiting. I am not keen on Pickett. Wallis looks too raw for a top 20 pick. But then I dissed Allen because of his low % completion for Wyoming.

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Willis is a projection. That is because he has a big arm and is a real run threat. He throws a real good deep ball. The issue is he came from from a single read RPO type offense. "There is your throw. If covered run."

He has to learn the NFL game. If he he does. He could be special. "If."

Before Watson. I was in on drafting Ridder in the second. He is athletic. He won a lot of games. He is a mature leader. He raised a entire program.

He can read a field and go to a secondary route. He has nice touch. He looks like a guy you can develop. Ball placement needs some work. He would be worth taking in the second. He has good NFL traits. I like him more than I do Pickett.

We are not in the qb market. That is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by PortlandDawg
This year’s QB class has a very Christian Ponder/Blaine Gabbert feel to it.
Guys that’ll be taken in the first round that have no real first round qualities to warrant being taken in the first round.

No doubt. One of the weakest classes in years.

That's good for us. That many more players will fall to the 2nd round so our pick at 44 might be like a pick at 36 in other years.


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I like both of those dudes....underrated guys.
Heck I wouldn't be surprised if Pickens sneaks into the bottom of the 1st.

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It's been awhile.

Lurk every now and again.
Any how, you guys know i'm a draft nerd i did a Browns mock.
Been so long that i can't remember how to post an image on here.

Anyhow....
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My Browns mock drfat

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.......good get of DeShaun btw, ((speaking only of on the field)) he's a stud

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Positions that hold the most value in the 5th-6th rounds include Defensive End.
Players worth the Browns trading up from pick 202 include? ...
rofl we get there every year. This discussion happens every year, I'm just hoping to have it 5? days early.

I'm saying the Defensive line can be addressed in rounds 4-6th+ MORE EASILY than the lack of Wr's can be addressed in rounds 4-6 and later.


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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NFL Draft 2022: 7 sleepers to watch in the late rounds
Published: Apr. 26, 2022, 6:00 a.m.

By Tim Bielik, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio — With only two days left until the 2022 NFL Draft, everyone knows who the top players are in this class. But drafts are not only about the top players.

There are seven rounds, and plenty of great players can be found in later rounds. They can be passed over due to either lack of production, poor athletic testing or injury issues.

Those players are the sleepers. Every team looks for them on the third day. But they’re hard to find.

Here are seven who could fit the mold of sleeper in this year’s draft.


Dane Belton, safety, Iowa

Height, weight: 6-foot, 205 pounds.

2021 stats: 30 solo tackles, 3 tackles for loss, 5 interceptions, 7 passes defensed.

Belton has gained some extra attention with his testing numbers, including a 3-cone drill time of 6.74 seconds at his pro day. He was first-team All-Big Ten in 2021 and started 26 games for Iowa.

Where he excels is in coverage where he can read the eyes of the quarterback and anticipate passes. But he has issues with his backpedal and could stand to add a few pounds.

Thomas Booker, defensive tackle, Stanford

Height, weight: 6-3, 301 pounds.

2021 stats: 59 tackles, 1 sack, 5 TFLs.

Like Belton, Booker raised some eyebrows after his athletic testing. In addition to a 4.94-second 40-yard dash, he had a 7.33-second 3-cone and did 31 reps on the bench press.

Booker has a good first step and also plays with strength. However, he wasn’t extremely productive at Stanford despite his athletic tools.

With his intelligence and athleticism, he has the ability to at least crack a defensive tackle rotation.


Jeffrey Gunter, edge rusher, Coastal Carolina

Height, weight: 6-4, 258 pounds.

2021 stats: 36 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 8.5 TFLs, 2 forced fumbles.

Gunter played a large role in Coastal Carolina’s talented defense the last two seasons with 13 sacks and 22.5 tackles for loss. His quickness and aggressive play style stand out.

Where he needs to improve is in his technique. If he can do that, his athletic tools like his quickness and power can be better utilized.


Micah McFadden, linebacker, Indiana

Height, weight: 6-1, 240 pounds.

2021 stats: 77 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 15.5 TFLs, 1 forced fumble.

McFadden is one of the better downhill linebackers who will be available on Day 3. He’s at his best attacking the line of scrimmage, and he is a quicker linebacker with a 3-cone time of 6.88 seconds.

He is a shorter linebacker and doesn’t have ideal range in coverage. McFadden’s ideal spot in an NFL defense might be as a middle linebacker because of how he reads the play and how well he tackles.


Kyle Philips, wide receiver, UCLA

Height, weight: 5-11, 189 pounds.

2021 stats: 59 receptions, 739 yards (12.5 avg.), 10 TDs.

Philips is likely a slot-only receiver in the NFL. But if that’s what he is, he has a chance to be a very good one.

A big reason is how quick he is. He has a 3-cone time of 6.75 seconds, 0.05 seconds faster than Hunter Renfrow’s 3-cone time in his combine. That time backs up one of Philips’ strengths, which is his ability to separate from coverage.

Receivers who can separate and catch the ball the way Philips does can find a place in the NFL and be productive. If he can be close to what Renfrow is in the NFL, he could be a real steal.

Zach Tom, interior offensive lineman, Wake Forest

Height, weight: 6-4, 304 pounds.

Tom played most of his collegiate career at offensive tackle but might be best served as an interior lineman in the NFL because he’s not very long.

But he is a very athletic lineman, especially when it comes to quickness. He ran the short shuttle in 4.47 seconds at the combine, which has been a sign of great NFL success according to Josh Norris of Underdog Fantasy.

He may need to get stronger, but Tom has rare athletic tools for his position.

Jalen Wydermyer, tight end, Texas A&M

Height, weight: 6-3, 255 pounds.

2021 stats: 40 receptions, 515 yards (12.9 avg.), 4 TDs.

Wydermyer was considered as possibly the top tight end in this year’s draft class after the season. But he had a very poor pro day, running the 40 in 5.02 seconds and only having a vertical jump of 25.5 inches.

Those numbers may have pushed him down the board so far that he may now be underrated. He was productive at Texas A&M with back-to-back seasons of 500-plus yards receiving.




https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/04/nfl-draft-2022-7-sleepers-to-watch.html


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
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This year’s QB class has a very Christian Ponder/Blaine Gabbert feel to it.
Guys that’ll be taken in the first round that have no real first round qualities to warrant being taken in the first round.

No doubt. One of the weakest classes in years.

That's good for us. That many more players will fall to the 2nd round so our pick at 44 might be like a pick at 36 in other years.

I don't think it will be good for the Browns. I don't believe there as many idiot GM's around the league as some people do that will overdraft many of these guys in the first or early second. Two, maybe three at the most. I'm sure there will be some players who drop. That happens almost every year. But it won't be because four or five QB's are chosen before the Browns pick.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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Round 2 Pick 12: Jahan Dotson, WR, Penn State (A)
Round 3 Pick 14: Perrion Winfrey, DT, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 3 Pick 35 (COMP): Travis Jones, DT, Connecticut (A+)
Round 4 Pick 13: Amare Barno, DE/OLB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 6 Pick 23: Kellen Diesch, OT, Arizona State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 2: Jaivon Heiligh, WR, Coastal Carolina (A+)
Round 7 Pick 25: Peyton Hendershot, TE, Indiana (A+)


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Possibly so. I just know that when teams need QB's a lot of draft mistakes have been made.

I mostly agree, I don't think any of the QB's are 1st round material, so if any are selected, we are better off...


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If we got your first three picks.

That would be some draft. The others I are to deep for me to know. But the first three would be excellent picks if it fell that way.

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I don't know how true this article is.

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lists/browns-nfl-draft-week-notes-insider/?itm_source=parsely-api

It would be great if we had an aggrement in place with Clowney and if Jarvis would sign for minimum.

That would open up options for the draft.

You want to hit on all picks but we know that is unlikely. Our first three picks need to contribute.

IMO Berry may try to get future picks so trading mid to late round picks for higher round futures may come in play.

A roster spot of this Browns team will not be easy. We may pick up veteran guys after the draft. So mid and late round picks may carry little value.

Stocking future drafts with 2, 3, and 4th rounders could be a strategy.

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