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Whatever you say Coach B.

How much NFL experience and how many NFL teams do you have on your resume?

That's what I thought.

What I'm not naive enough to believe is that there aren't variations that can be called on every route a WR runs. It's really quite simple. If every route or any route didn't have variations to them, every defender in the NFL would know exactly where a WR was going once he solved the route called. Defenders would have a field day if that were true.

So you didn't actually answer the question.

You deflected. This is my surprised face.

Oh I answered. You just didn't like the answer and have no logical comeback for it. So I'm not surprised either.

I would suggest that 2 nlf quarterbacks - all stats at that - have a better knowledge of football in general, and route running specifically, than a guy that's never seen an nfl playbook. Period.

Did I miss your NFL resume?

See you deflected, that's not answering. But you don't like getting called on it, so you deflect again.

Honestly I think you have to look at the specific route that was being discussed and what was said and determine if it sounds legit and if variables and variations might make sense.

The play called was a Flat route to the RB and an out route to the TE. In both cases the QB commentary was that the route was coached for the receiver to run a flat - 90 degree route towards the side line. In both cases the receiver ran a "rounded" route to the side line - so going out, but still upfield. In both cases Baker is throwing and releasing the ball as the receiver is making or has just made the cut, both times the ball would have been 'perfect' for the 90 degree route the commentators suggested. Both times there is a defender with inside leverage pursuing the receiver and on their inside shoulder.

The idea of allowing variations makes no sense to me - if the defender is on your inside shoulder - going "out" at 90 degrees gives the biggest window for the QB to throw to. Running a slightly rounded route reduces the angle for the QB, allowing the defender to make a play easier ..... and it would seem the idea of running a 'variation' where the route run is 5-6-7-8-9 degrees off the simple direct out to the sidelines would introduce a very subjective route that would be very easy for every receiver to run differently.

There's no Baker homerism involved when I believe the commentators when they say an out route, flat route is always coached to be 90 degrees and straight out to the sidelines.

What you seem to have missed is that this same route is run the same exact way multiple times across the NFL on a pretty regular basis. But trying to pretend that doesn't happen in order to act like a pack of jackals seems to be more popular than that reality. But you guys carry on and pretend that's not true. Because you know.... "But Troy Aikman said...."

Only thing I missed is you qualifications to say that two NFL HOF QBs are wrong and you are right.

Please, let us know your qualification. You owned multiple footballs for 50 years?

I have eyes. Do you?

I have ears too, and I listen to experts.

Then you must believe that your eyes have been lying to you. This same route gets rounded off every week by multiple WR's all across the NFL. But don't believe what you see.

So that is in your expert NFL opinion?

Where's that resume?

I had no idea you were blind and can't actually watch the games. I'll pray for you.

Notice how you never answer the actual question, you just deflect?

Do you have an NFL resume or not?

No more or no less than anyone who has commented on this thread. That includes you.

I didn't see anyone else indicate that Aikman or Warner didn't know what they were talking about because they never looked at the playbook for that specific play.

You inferered you were an expert since you questions the expert opinion of two NFL QBs. Knowing your qualification for your differing opinion is important as we know their qualifications, or they are easily found. Part of having an expert opinion IS knowing why you should be considered an expert. Since you now indicate that you don't have any NFL experience we know you were just looking to disagree with someone to argue a point to let us know you are brilliant. Next time maybe you should only try to baffle us with your "brilliance" and not denigrate the opinion of experts.

That is all, you can go out to recess now.

Keep claiming that someone needs to be an expert to see this same route is being run the same way all across the NFL on a weekly basis. Keep pretending what you are seeing is somehow a fantasy that doesn't actually exist because, "Aikam said so". I suggest you either aren't paying attention when you watch NFL games or you don't watch many of them. Your incessant belief that you need to be an expert to understand something that happens often all across the NFL on a weekly basis is hilarious.

I never said one needed to be an expert to watch football or have an opinion. You said that Aikman and Warner were wrong because they hadn't seen the playbook. a playbook you haven't seen either but you have a different opinion.

I will take the expert opinion over yours. Especially the experts who watched the game (Aikman, ya know calling it) or Warner (breaking down film, ya know watching it).

So instead of deflecting and saying I said things I didn't just understand you are not the expert and they are. That doesn't mean they are always right, but they do have the benefit of being the expert you do not have.

I wouldn't hire a mason to rebuild my chimney that has only ever sat in front of a fireplace.

This is where you get to have your last word. I don't need to wrestle the pig any more.

Wrestle the pig? Yes, when all else fails resort to personal BS. I'm sure that must make you feel more manly.

You either believe that WR's all across the league run this route the wrong way on a fairly regular basis or you don't. Even a mason who has only sat in front of a fireplace can look at a chimney and tell you the brick was laid crooked. It's because he can see.

Unless you have actually seen a teams playbook, you have no idea how a play is designed. If you think differently, more power to you.

Nice. I explained in detail why the QB's comments were correct - and your response is deflection and insults. I won't bother in future.

I did notice that insisting the route can be run in variable ways - which was the point at one time - has shifted.

You are wrong. Give it up.