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I've never seen that.
I've seen posts where he can't change the play at the line, he can only choose between two plays that were called in, but I've never seen it said that he can't just chuck it deep..... buuuuut, if the coach is enough of a control freak that he only lets Baker choose between two plays called in, then I could definitely see that happening.
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A lot of people have convinced themselves that they see a lot of things. What people have said is that Stefanski won't let Baker be Baker. That he has changed who Baker is. The trust of your HC is earned, not given.
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By contrast when he never does it the claim gets made that "he isn't allowed to". You say "isn't allowed to" like he's a 3 year old who has been told he's not allowed to stick a fork in the electrical outlet.. I don't think it's as clear as he "isn't allowed to" as it is that avoiding turnovers has been so stressed and beaten into his brain that he is convinced that he shouldn't ever take the risk.
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So it has nothing to do with what Stenafski is instructing him to do but it's about the way Baker is processing the information?
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No Pit.. If Stefanski is beating it into his head to not turn the ball over, then Baker is only going to make safe throws.. this really isn't that hard.
Maybe Stefanski isn't telling him that, maybe he's telling him to push the ball down the field and take some chances.. and Baker just won't do it.. I don't know, I'm not there. I would assume that this dynamic will all be factored into Baker's long term future with the team.
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I'm pretty sure every HC is telling their QB's not to turn the ball over. I mean that only makes sense. It's what a QB does and how they process that information that seems to make the difference. I think the semantics of "beating it into his head" is the only actual thing that people have left to cling to.
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I HATE the spot foul rule.
It cheapens the offense. Need some chunk yards fast? Just chuck it and hope for a flag. Instant field position change.
Interference- 15 yards seems sufficient. No team should ever be the recipient of a 34-yard penalty.
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By contrast all a CB would have to do to prevent a TD is interfere. I mean if you're beat for a 60 yard TD score, as long as you can close enough to trip him up or interfere it only costs you 15 yards and not six points.
I see it as a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
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Unfortunately, as I tend to agree with Clem, the only remedy would be a two-level penalty tier. I have little confidence that refs could adequately officiate this when there is even more judgement involved. But you're right Pit, it would be just as bad if a defender could trip a WR inline to an easy TD for only a 15 yard penalty.
I've said it for years, PI is (has been) ruining the game, receivers are becoming very well-schooled at "inciting" PI. Flailing, initiating contact, slowing to create contact, etc. Reviewing these plays should give officials the ability to call a "flop" as they do in the NBA, but at that point enforcement would become very convoluted.
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I would tend to agree with you. The way some of these WR's try and play up PI when it really doesn't exist does remind me of the flop in basketball. I also agree that putting even more discretion in the hands of the officials may not be the best solution as well. It's a pretty tricky situation all the way around.
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I realize it would bring referee discretion into it, but why not have a flagrant interference call remain a spot foul for instances where the DB is obviously beat and basically mugs the receiver, and then add in an "incidental" interference as a 5 or 10 yard penalty, automatic 1st down for both? Or have the ref on the field call interference and let the booth review assess intent or no intent. The booth review could also wave it off entirely, in cases of uncatchable throws, receiver-initiated contact (eg, push off), or the infamous Steeler pick play.
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I realize it would bring referee discretion into it, but why not have a flagrant interference call remain a spot foul for instances where the DB is obviously beat and basically mugs the receiver, and then add in an "incidental" interference as a 5 or 10 yard penalty, automatic 1st down for both? Or have the ref on the field call interference and let the booth review assess intent or no intent. The booth review could also wave it off entirely, in cases of uncatchable throws, receiver-initiated contact (eg, push off), or the infamous Steeler pick play. I think this is the best case scenario, without a doubt. I think there are too many cases on the field where refs are influenced in the heat of the moment. How many flags do we see well after the fact? Those would be fine if it were turned over to someone in the booth. "The process" has become a lot more efficient as there is already personnel reviewing each play anyway. I also think there are a lot of cases where refs throw a flag based on previous whining and moaning from receivers as well. This approach takes all of the bias out of the decision, takes away the "human" factor, and judges each play on it's own merit with clear video evidence. And I don't really care about "slowing down the game", too many games are ruined by these spot fouls.
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I agree, and I think that the delay from booth review can be negligible, because they can review the play as soon as the flag comes out on PI calls. Ref on the field simply signals PI, and the review should come in about 30 seconds, if not less. It might be faster than the endless on-field conferences among referees. Plus, odds are greater that they'll get it right, IMO.
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Actually, they're not even waiting for flags as every play is now basically under review in real time. The "sky judge" is now obligated to verify certainties established on the field as they happen. Your proposal seems like the next logical step in making sure everything is fair and equitable. I copied a couple paragraphs, very informative article. Quick fixes from the replay official With an ongoing push from coaches for a sky judge or a booth umpire — the former term which originated during the meteoric fall of the Alliance of American Football — the unanimously opposed Competition Committee held its ground and initiated a review of options. Entering 2021, the committee proposed, and owners approved, a new rule that would allow the replay official to intervene between plays to make some obvious corrections. There is a lot of overlap with the calls that are subject to the replay official’s intervention and a coach’s challenge. So how is this going to work? First, the replay official would have to see something abundantly clear on video within a narrow scope: Whether or not the pass was completed or intercepted Whether or not a loose ball touches a boundary line or the goal line Correct a spot when the location of the ball relates to the boundaries, line of scrimmage, line to gain, or the goal line. Correct a spot to an earlier part of a run where a runner was down by contact but not ruled down. New equipment is ‘Smart’ Another key change in replay has to do with the equipment. This year, the NFL is using a replay system produced by Hawk-Eye Technologies, the same company that made its name with different system that assists with line calls in tennis. The league has dumped its proprietary NFL Vision replay system. The Hawkeye system will give the replay official a better chance at making these corrections prior to the play clock hitting 20. The major difference is the replay equipment is now a video ingest system. Rather than waiting for the director in the TV truck to punch up the best angle on the broadcast replay, the Hawkeye system records multiple key angles, allowing there to be, literally, an instant replay in the replay booth. The replay official able to rewind the play with all angles in sync and select the key camera angles where there was smoke as soon as the play is ruled dead. http://www.footballzebras.com/2021/...of-replay-that-could-have-mixed-results/
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I would very much like for the 49ers to beat the Bengals.
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I would very much like for the 49ers to beat the Bengals. The Bucs beating the Bills would not be a bad thing either.
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LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Tom Brady's record setting completion was one of the best passes I've ever seen.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Wow, the Bengals have muffed their 2nd punt of the day.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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told ya, something about home games in cininnati in December, bungles play well historically. But!!! historically they play terrible against the 49ers too.!
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Jimmy Garopolo has the Stubbornness of a Draft Horse!!!
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Niners defense been flying around whole game and now they gas out 🙄
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