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I thought the same thing, but then looked it up. It seems the Jets were bent on stopping the run, and the running game wasn't up to the challenge...

Mayfield ~ 28-53-285

Run game 18 rushes 45 yards

We also averaged only slightly over 5 yards/pass attempt, which was anemic for Baker, especially last year.

That stats page (and pretty much all others) doesn't break out any stats by game, it just gives the overall average. I was hoping to see a trend after putting each week's stats next to each other, but I didn't. Maybe there were short (3-4 week) trends at points in the year, but that's the extent that I could see.

Again, I'm sorry my technical stupidity is preventing me from posting a screenshot.

The week-to-week numbers (IMO) seem to support the argument that our preference to run or pass more is dependent on gameday factors (opponent strengths/weaknesses and gameplan, weather, momentum of the game... in no particular order)... with the understanding that, compared to the rest of the NFL, we are going to run it A LOT, regardless.

https://www.4for4.com/2021/preseason/anthony-schwartz-low-risk-fantasy-flier-rookie

I wasn't going to copy paste this article because of the star wars stuff until I looked at the diagram of measurable at the very end.
Article about his fantasy value.

I was just looking at that diagram of measurables, seems about as expected, expected, expected,
verticle jump? 12th percentile?

My question is with an Anthony Schwartz type player does a 12th percentile vertical jump limit his potential use in the red zone, even on inside the 10yd line plays,
even all plays in field goal range, plays from the 30 on in, (all plays beyond the 50?)

Answer NO of course not, it just makes it, however, a little bit more puzzling to get him the ball.

Now, also from the article, it claims his short pass production and make something happen paints that type of picture, and I'll say, those kind of plays,
the NFL is the league where those type of plays are best defended on a regular basis.

If WRs are consistently having to jump for balls at the 30 to 50 yard lines, as you seem to elude to, maybe their QB needs to be more accurate. I think ours is good enough to keep his WRs feet on the ground and moving forwards. Braylon Edwards had a better vertical. I recall seeing him try to make jump catches on balls thrown at his hip level. Having the hops doesn’t make you a great WR. Much as not having the hops will make you a bad one.
I’ll let the kid hit the field before I start digging into his supposed deficiencies. Much as I’ll hold my praise until he proves praise worthy… except my wishing him well and liking his speed.

You don't tend to need to jump as much when you outrun the CB by five yards.

I basically agree.

The problem these days is QB's rarely lead or over throw a deep ball. I think they are trained to do that.

I understand why. A overthrown ball falls incomplete. A QB laying it up there at least has a chance to be caught or draw a interference penalty..

I guess the thinking is it is up to the receiver to keep the DB from catching it

The whole thing I was trying to diagram with words, does not have anyone jumping up for a ball at the 30.

If the LOS, line of scrimmage is at the opponents 1 yard line, since the end zone is only 10 yards deep, then the room to get behind a defense is only somewhere in that 11 yard window.

If the LOS, line of scrimmage is at a teams own 1 yard line, then the ability to get behind a defense to the back of the other end zone is somewhere in a 109 yard window. (So a little more room.)

But teams always try to get out of the shadow of their own endzone by staying away from a play like that. I figure, a specific type of play, is best suited for about the, 15, ,, if the LOS is from your own 15, to about the 50 yard line,
Maybe 25 to the opponents 40,(35, or 30) either way about 1/3rd of the field- to 40%. (Positive) So 2/3rds of the field, to 60% of the places the line of scrimmage could be, (negative) that one specific route may be off the table.
It doesn't hurt to have a good vertical jump, for the other routes and jump balls on the sidelines and end zone lines.

Therein lies the confusion. Schwartz is a run past the defense receiver, and you are talking about a high-point the ball receiver. That's not why they drafted Schwartz. Peoples-Jones is more the high-point guy.

The real joy of this thread will be once we see how they're using him, all the different comments we'll have about how he's a bust because they aren't/won't/can't use him in all these other ways.

We really should just put him out to pasture now and be done with it.

There's DPJ, Njoku, and Hooper to catch balls thrown from the goal line. Not to mention the threat of Chubb and/or Hunt to punch it in.

Schwartz is a potential dimension to this O that wasn't there before he was drafted.

I had no idea he was a vegetarian.

He is? Well, now we definitely need to be done with him.

That assumes there will ever be a time we get to see how the team actually uses him.

As Keegan Micheal Keye once said, (What happens when we assume?)
You! Get! The! Answer! Right!!!

(More seriously,) How is his hamstring?

still wrapped around the deli meat?

I'd say that the best answer, without knowing specifics, is "resting until Training Camp".