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Random Draft Thought: The defense been improved enough, and enough holes filled, that I wouldn't be averse to the idea of us using Pick #26 on a WR.

As long as Greedy & Delpit return, our secondary is set. If they don't return, we're still kinda thin, but we will still have better starters than we had last year.

I'd prefer one more big acquisition at DE, like Clowney as I've said elsewhere, but we could roll into the season as-is.... and it's my understanding that the DE's in round 2 aren't going to be all that big of a drop from those in round 1. Like, none of em are all that, so we're doing developmental drafting of DE's this year. I'm very content with where we are at DT, now, and at LB we are significantly better with Anthony Walker here.

I'm not saying that there aren't still holes or places we can be exposed, but this is shaping up to be a pretty solid D right now. Enough so that I would not be concerned at all if we went WR - or any other position - in round 1.

Hell, trade out of the 1st completely and pick up a 2nd and some picks for next year!

I've been thinking the same thing Purp.

This is a strong draft for WR. I'd love to grab Rashod Bateman if he's available at 26; especially since we have the pick right before the Ravens, who still haven't addressed the WR position in FA and will be looking to the draft.

We can trade back up in the 2nd to grab a DE or DT that falls that we like.

Still maybe one more one-year, low budget vet for the outside CB (to safe guard against Greedy and other possible injuries).

But we may get a better deal after the draft on that one (once teams start filling in young guys and deciding which older players are expendable).

I can't say I'm overjoyed by all of the signings, but we did plug up some holes and got a couple nice pieces for the secondary.

Looking at our roster, i think we could use another Cb for now. Everything else is forward looking.

We need some dline youth going forward. It's very possible that Richardson, jackson, billings and takk are all off the roster next season.

At wr higgins is on a 1 year contract. How much longer will we have obj and landry?

Are we satisfied with harris' ability to replace trettor in 1 to 2years?

Conklin may only be here 1-2 more years as a cap casualty post re-signing of baker and chubb.

We really need to invest in the wide receiver position. The chances that both OBJ and Landry are both on the roster in 2022 in pretty low.

I agree that enough has been done that we don't have to be Pigeon-holed into anything with the first pick. Some of our good FA signings are still band-aids and don't offer long-term stability to the roster. I'm referring to the number of 1yr deals the team has made. Don't get me wrong I'm glad we made those deals but if it's possible to get good young players on rookie contracts to develop over multiple seasons even at positions we appear to have filled that has to take place.

I'm not discounting that we might extend some of the guys we signed for this year as well.

Hodge might not be back at this point (he's also 26). I agree with DPJ. Either way, it would be nice to have a guy who is ready to hit the ground running in 2022 instead of relying on a free agent or rookie. At this point we truly get to draft for the best player available and this is a deep receiver draft.

We need 1 edge rusher, 1 LB, 1 CB and 1 freaking fast WR who can catch. That = Super Bowl.

Look at the composition of our interior D Line. We need another young standout or at least a promising player there too. Richardson has been the anchor of that unit, I think he's 28. I think this is the final year of his contract. Jackson is what, 31? On a one-year deal. Billings is a journeyman signed to a 1-year contract. Elliot has promising but he needs development.

Right now after Berry's magic of filling holes I would think we can actually take the BPA for once, regardless of Position, although I see three spots to look at for BPA 1. (DT) We need a young stud 2. (WR) we are loaded here but a young WR to stretch the field would be nice 3. (C) Tretter is great but we need his future replacement ...

I just didn't see all that much from Elliot ; Hope your right !

Isn’t Nick Harris Tretter’s replacement (in theory)?

If you don't see much from Elliot then it makes my point even more relevant. The long-term health of the interior DL is flimsy.

We could use a real burner. Figured it might be draft priority. Hope these guys can mature and help out Vise Grips!

Yes in theory but he can be a very good OG also ...

I have been saying that trading down out of the first round to pick up a 2nd rounder + might not be a bad move.

When you have five drops in a season you can no longer be called vice grips.

I could be wrong but it seems to me that trading down has never accomplished much for us. Maybe someone on here that's better than me with computers can lookup how trading down has worked out? Good and bad.

What has happened in the past has no bearing on what happens with the future. Just because past regimes botched it (or Butched it), does not mean it should never be done.

It's a sound move and getting extra picks is how you can keep your roster young.



AND, it just occurred to me that we have a ton of 1-year contracts... if they all walk and we don't sign replacements, that will be a fair number of Compensatory picks the following year. I think that's a treadmill we should be trying to get onto (draft guys, keep the roster young, don't overpay to keep guys and if they go elsewhere, reap the compensatory picks to draft more young replacements and keep reloading).

I concur ~

The trades were good and we got good value (except when the Jets traded up for Mark Sanchez) but we made bad picks.

As was said, what happened in the past has no bearing on what happens now.

We currently hold pick #26. Our 2nd round pick is currently at #59, so we probably don't want to drop all that far. I am thinking that some team currently holding say pick #38 in round 2 might see a guy on the board they love. If the guys we are looking at don't really provide the value if we pick them at #26, but do if we picked them at #38 and pick up maybe a 3rd and or more next year, it's the move to make.

If there is one thing we have learned about both Berry and Depo is that future picks are like gold to them. I don't envision many drafts with them heading up the front office that we don't trade back at some point for future picks.

A later round 1st rounder is always going to be valuable to somebody and will always bring a pretty solid price in return.

We also have to consider what we have behind our 2nd rounder this year. We have two 3rd rounders and two 4th rounders. I really don't expect that we will come out of those 2 rounds with 4 drafted players. I can see us trading some combination to move up, back in to round 2.

Don't equate what guys like Savage, Sashi, and Dorsey did to what we might do today.

Berry, Depo, and Stefanski are far better and smarter than anything we have had in the past. Berry is a excellent talent exaluator and a critical thinker. Depo is as sharp as a whip with a keen eye on navigating the ship to avoid pitfalls down the road. He is like a chess master, he is 3-4 moves ahead of everybody else. Stefanski is a sharp coach who can sit and talk with the others to see the big picture. He is also skilled as a coach with the ability to change what he does to fit the players he has. Not all coaches can, or are willing to do that. We saw that with Hue.

All of this doesn't mean they are going to be right all of the time. Or maybe I should say that everything they do isn't going to work all of the time, but I am confident that everything is going to be well planned and though out. In the end, if we are being realistic, that is all we can expect.

No doubt I wouldn't want a trade down if there is a player available that we really like who is clearly the BPA on our board.

My thinking is by that point in the draft, there might be 3-4-5 guys we also like who are all rated about the same and would be equally happy with any.

26 to 38 (as some have floated) would need more like a dozen guys together. I wouldn't be against trading down within the 1st round, but I'm not sure I would want to trade out of it (I'm not trying to imply that you would, Ballpeen.) The option year is valuable.

I think a bunch of potential starting edge players and corners will go around 26 through the end of round one. I'd hate to be left without one of them.

I'd probably pick the best fit of those positions at 26 (I think that's where BPA will be), unless the ones I liked were already gone.

A lot does depend on the overall value of the picks offered. But it'd be hard to pass on a blue chip prospect at one of those high value positions (that also lines up with where we lack top end starters on both sides) if they're available.

A philosophy is, The team trades down for more picks when your roster is full of poor players.

Over a decade, for comparison, the Browns 2020 roster is littered around with good players, anyone from Hooper, to OBJ, to Myles, to Baker, to Chubb, Vernon, and Richardson, (new free agents)

If you have a roster that is full of "bad" players, that is when you trade down and pick up more draft picks for value and a conglomerate hope to find talent.

The Browns team, currently is in the complete opposite position.

saying again, The Browns team is in the complete opposite position, because the Browns have talented players, top players, spread around to all parts of their roster,
even Greedy, and Delpit and Ward, and an abundance of linebckers, greater than or equal to, what you'd get in the mid to late rounds of a random college draft.

Now, if the team has zero talent at starting positions, that is the year, that is the situation where you are better to trade down and pick up more picks.

Quite simply, Unless, Unless! Unless a thinking person, thinks the average college player entering the NFL, in the mid rounds, is a clear, or possibly clear upgrade to the sorrily overmatched folks on your team, at all various positions, then trading down to get more draft picks doesn't make sense.

But, after signing Conklin, and drafting Wirfs, and Trettor and Teller playing top level,

The Browns probably pretty much have one of the most talent laden rosters, they've had in a long time.

And for that reason, the possible decision to trade down in the draft, this year, to pick up more picks, is the complete wrong move.
(Even might be a rare year where trading up, would make sense)

If it were the Giants, the Jets, or the Bengals, with little on paper, then it may make sense for them, but this year, the Browns, have too much talent for it to be the right move to trade down.

j/c

It's been said before but I'll say it again. I do not see us making nine selections in this draft. When your team is bereft of talent, the more bodies the better. But at some point you are looking for quality over quantity. I think we are now at that stage. I can see the strong possibility of using everything from our #132 pick in the forth round on down as ammunition to trade up or trade for future picks.

I see us coming out with six or seven draft picks when all is said and done. I mean it's all a guessing game at this point but I think we will be looking to move up anywhere they see that slight moves up can net us better talent according to their big board. We have two third round picks where I can see the moves up most likely. Maybe even the second round.

Of course anything is possible.

I do see picks even before the 4th being used to move up or trade down to gain future picks.
I can even see the 1st rounder being used to trade down some to gain a pick next year.

I'd say the odds are pretty good we trade down from our 1st rounder to get a 2nd this year and say a 3rd next year....it might be more.

Then again, everything you said could be spot on.

As long as it is reasonable, just about anything posted here could happen.

I believe there are certainly more scenarios such as you mentioned possible. I was simply trying to post what I felt the most likely scenario might be.

If we have enough players closely valued at our #26 pick to move down and have about the same value, I could see such a trade down. If someone they have ranked highly has slipped through the cracks I find it unlikely.

Their big board will decide IMO.

I was thinking about the draft this morning and started with each position group.

QB - I could see us drafting a developmental guy on Day 3 to groom as a future #2. The problem with that is if the guy is on the PS, we'll likely lose him to another team if he shows any progress. I think Keenum could be here for a long time...and I'm ok with that. QB3 won't be on the 53/55 anytime soon;

RB - We won't be drafting anyone here...maybe snag a UDFA-type for the PS;

TE - If we don't trade Njoku, we won't be drafting anyone here either;

OL - This one was tricky...sort of. I'm usually all about drafting an OL every year to keep the pipeline full-ish...well...not this year. These guys will be here for TC that weren't here last year for TC: Dunn (maybe he was here but you get the point), Hance, Forbes, Gossett. They seem to like Alex Taylor as a developmental and Hubbard might be back - especially after Lamm left. We still have the backup C who needs to get stronger, but played well in his first start - no so much his second stint. If there is a guy in Rd 4-5 who simply shouldn't be there, then I could see us taking him.

WR - We have (5) good ones in Landry, OBJ, Higgins, Hodge & DPJ...but we need that take-off-the-top guy. JoJo isn't that guy...I think he's part of the insurance against OBJ's rehab. If we do what I think we will do (still yet) at DE and CB, pick 26 very-well may be a WR.

DE - I think we get yet another one in FA/trade...primarily because I don't imagine we'd be able to draft a starter...but we will draft a DE by the end of Rd 4. I've read some promising things about Weaver.

DT - We have (2) known guys here, a younger guy who is very large (and the run-stopper we missed last year) and has been a starter and our own drafted guy. Keeping (5) DTs would be odd, even though (2) of those DTs can play effectively at DE. If the "right" guy drops, I think we could do that with our 1st or 2nd pick.

LB - With Smith back, Walker signed, Phillips in year 2, Taki improving at backup run-stopper and Wilson being no less than a good (maybe) STer,...I just don't see an early draft pick here. Again, if the "right" guy drops, maybe.

S - We just might be loaded here if Delpit makes a full recovery...but that's a big IF. I like Redwine as a backup/nickle and hope we don't give up on him just yet...and we could do worse than Joseph as the 4th S and backup box-type. Again, if the "right" guy drops, quite possibly.

CB - I saved this one for last. I expect us to draft a CB at #26...even if we snag another starter in FA/trade. I think CBs is the target...but could be overridden...but I think that will be unlikely. If I were a betting man, I'd bet we take a CB or WR @ #26.

That was just for funzies - of course. I've always been leery of the BPA philosophy that gets thrown around - in part because it has no mutually-understood definition. If a QB or a LT is the best player on the board @ 26, we're not drafting that guy and that pick is likely to be traded. If the BPA @ 26 is an OL, RB or a TE, we are passing on that guy. I'll say the same thing for our 2nd and likely 3rd picks this year.

We will be looking at BPA alright...but at WR, DE, DT, S & CB...not necessarily in that order. JMO

j/c:

Where I think we might go w/the first pick (in no order):

DE
DT
WR
Trade down.

Trade down would be my first priority. Drafting late in the first round is basically the same as drafting in the second round. Pick up more picks and increase your chances.

I don't disagree in a vacuum and think it's a very real scenario. Unless someone falls to them who they have rated above and beyond other players and it is deemed a high-value selection, I think a trade down makes a ton of sense (based on the return, of course).

There is literally a formula that you can Google. There are sites that accurately predict the comp picks every year.

If you believe the league is intentionally giving picks to their “favorite teams” then you should probably stop watching.

I don't think that accusation is so ridiculous. It was intended (IIRC) to help teams that have a significant net loss of talent due to FA, which would generally be better teams.

What's more, mediocre players surrounded by a higher level of talent are going to put up more gaudy numbers, thereby setting themselves up for bigger FA paydays.

Comp picks intending to keep good teams good isn't the most outrageous conspiracy theory I've heard.