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How is that on Bake .. if KJ allowed that its on KJ ...

Based off 18’s result Freddie was a good hire ... i don’t get it .. he put in a system in 18 Bake THRIVED IN .... and because of that O the Isle was hopping and we were all full of optimism for the future ...

How was KJ or anyone suppose to know someone would perform a lobotomy on Freddie and take out everything he knew about designing and calling plays ...

Mangina was the biggest piece of trash ever to hold a coaching position of any type in Cleveland, let along being in charge of the draft. Absolute trash, filth, a disgusting sub human species.... you know, the coach who would have players spy on each others and played favorites with his players...

Were you in the locker room?

Brian Dumboll was a worse OC than Mangini as
A HC. But EM was proof positive he was,a poor
Judge of talent and assistant coaches.
EM tried to be another Belichek and the lockeroom
Found it a joke

Dumboll gets so much love on here. And
For what....cause he marched out Robert Royal
And a Olineman and the Easter Bunny
12 yards away from the center in a formation
Dumboll drew up in crayon that morning
That hardly qualifies him as a genius.
How many OC jobs has he held since then ?

When they speak of highly innovative offensive
Minds around the league Dumboll is never
Brought up.....

FYI

Cleveland Browns (2009–2010)
Offensive coordinator
Miami Dolphins (2011)
Offensive coordinator
Kansas City Chiefs (2012)
Offensive coordinator
New England Patriots (2013)
Offensive assistant
New England Patriots (2014–2016)
Tight ends coach
Alabama (2017)
Co-Offensive coordinator & Quarterbacks coach
Buffalo Bills (2018–present)
Offensive coordinator

Why just like Freddie a glorified TEs coach

You are out of bounds w/these comments. Almost everyone on here hated Daboll on here. There were about 3 of us who supported the dude.

I thought Daboll (and Mangini) handled McCoy really poorly? The treated him like dirt until he had to start. Went beyond just tough love, I believe. I remember reading that from one of the excerpts from the fringe player that came through here during the Mangini days.

It was a pretty big deal at the time.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mccoy-develops-thick-skin-rookie-070700834--nfl.html

Wow, I never read or heard that. I can understand wanting to toughen up a kid BUT that is a little much. I dont know how many QB's he could treat like that now a days and get away with it. How would they have handled it if Colt had blasted him in the face. My guess would be Daboll would get canned not the player. In any event Colt has stayed in the league for many years now so maybe it did help him some.

This is really the crux of it. When the articles mention other players just kinda looking at what's happening and either being shocked or shaking their heads, you know it's bad.

I can understand a coach being tough, like a Parcells, Shula or Lombardi to name a few but what I read about Colt is a bit much. There is a limit before it becomes abusive.

J/c

I do remember reading this stuff about Daboll/McCoy at that time ... that coaching staff seemed like jerks. Re-reading that article it seems worse than I remember though.

I agree. Phillips was drafted to spy Lamar.

Keep your eyes on him, follow him, then knock the snot out of him if he bolts.

I like LSU players. Some schools usually have players with "grit". LSU is one of those.

You don't play at LSU unless you are a leather neck. I don't have any proof, just my opinion.

Wasn't aware LSU were bringing Marines in to play ball.

I do not think Phillips is fast enough to spy Lamar. I think you need a Safety type for that role. See Joseph.

I think Phillips was more drafted to meet Dobbins/Ingram in the hole, and that someone else more nimble can spy Lamar.

perhaps Delpit?

Maybe so. I do know he is fast. His 40 was 4.6....maybe not the fastest, but his shot shuttle was 4.3. That is really good in short space. But, you might be right, he might not be the spy. Clean up the holes tackle to tackle.

Either way, I am pretty happy we were able to get him. I think he was one of those choices where we broke a few hearts when we plucked him off other teams boards.

I hope so too ... i agree his 40 time probably isnt ideal, but he could be a steal

I don't see using a guy whose strength is playing center field, and who has issues tackling, against a guy like Lemar Jackson.

Sendajo is a hard hitter at S, and Joseph is very good in the box. I think that we will probably play one of these 2 against Jackson. It would make more sense.

I didn't know he played center field. I thought he was a linebacker. Maybe I am just picking nits in the way you describe him, sorry if so.

To 4lifes comments, yes, 4.6 in the 40 isn't all that fast, yet respectable. 4.3 in the short shuttle is. That is the key time for a linebacker IMO.


Maybe I am old school, or just old fashioned, but to me a backers first job is to stop the run, not run step for step with some back or slot guy 35 yards down the field.

He's done a little of everything, but his strength is as FS.

I said previously that I feel Phillips will become a very good player for us. He is a good tackler, plays sideline to sideline, hustles and comes from a winning program which I feel is important. I don't think it's just a coincidence that we drafted good players in positions of need from LSU not to mention having JL and OBJ here already.