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They are following that blame Sashi for everything model so neatly laid out here by others.

Yeah, the guy who got fired is innocent.

And the guy that didn't get fired is good?

Hey, Hue has next year. He's on the clock. I hope his doesn't mishandle the time.

I actually agree with you for the most part. I really don't believe that Hue can be considered a good HC at this point. I agree that he most likely only has one year to make a drastic improvement in the W/L column.

Where I do disagree with some people is that I don't think he's been given the talent to win with. I don't accept wild conspiracy theories that people make up to try to pin on Hue about almost any thing you can possibly think of. So at least to some degree I believe we are in agreement.

The thing that worries me to an extent is what or more accurately how many wins will it take next year to exonerate Hue? This fan base is so starving for wins that I don’t think it’s gonna take much, is it 5-6 wins, 8-10? I just don’t want to miss out on a great coach, which I’m not necessarily saying Hue won’t be, to be just mediocre. I didn’t want Hue when we hired him and he hasn’t shown me enough to warrant a change in that feeling, and I don’t base that completely on his record but what I’ve seen from him on sundays and in interviews. IMO I think at the time we could have done better and as of today still can. I want the Browns to be a yearly playoff team and contender at some point not just mediocre.

Not to mention when the HC is so extricably tied to so many of the teams issues, he's bound to come up.

I simply can't agree that we are less talented now than we were 2 years ago before Sashi took over. I feel we are leaps and bounds more talented today than we were this time in 2016.

You may actually be right. The problem is that about half of our roster is first and second year players. They are young, lack experience and their actual talent hasn't been optimized yet.

I don't believe we will actually know what we have in some of those players for a year or two yet. I'm certainly hopeful that you're right. But IMO, the jury is still out on that one.

Nail on the head pitdawg, nail on the head.....

I certainly agree with this. And I get it, a veteran presence on the field would have been helpful and we could have won 3-4 games... but I think the plan all along was to go young, get guys experience in the system of their HC and have them learn in a few years. Add pieces, grab vet FA to fill the holes and start winning. "Year 3" was always the year for these guys... and so yes, I see the thought process of the guys clamoring to keep Hue.

I get it all.

Somewhere there was a disconnect between Hue and Sashi. Someone had to go and it's far more important to keep the HC than the GM who wasn't a football lifer. Sashi did his part and now the new guys here are in great shape to reap the benefits. Hue should be able to get us some wins, but I still don't know that he's the answer and I'm not sure how you keep a 1-31 coach regardless of the experience or talent on the team.

Sorry for the tangent but that's where I'm at...

I really didn't take it as a tangent. I think it was a reasonable reply. I honestly don't know if Hue is the answer or not myself. Maybe that's where the disconnect is on a lot of this?

I believe that most of us who support Hue simply want to see if he's given a QB and a bit more of veteran presence on the roster, can he be the answer? Not that we know he is the answer.

Maybe I shouldn't be speaking for others though. lol

If people somehow felt that I was suggesting that I'm sold on Hue as the long term answer as our HC, then my mistake.

I was trying to find the thread about a Veteran QB, but can't seem to find it here. Does anyone know where it went?

Will you guys please keep the "Fire Hue" crusade on the Hue threads? Please.

My opinion.... ?

I know Jimmmy talks to a lot of people in NFL circles. I liked the comment that "You don't want to talk to Jimmy at 7 in the morning, you want to talk to him 7 in the evening." Meaning whoever has his ear last will be the voice he goes with.

I think all these people reiterated to him the importance of stability and continuity with the Head Coach. You won't win consistently until you get one. I think a lot of them, as has been mentioned on this board, that Hue is well respected. And I think they feel the same as you, he's been dealt a poor hand.

For me personally, I don't care if you've been dealt a raw hand or not, I think he handled it poorly and I'd have shown him the door regardless. I question a lot of things with Hue, and I'm not confident with him as HC. I do like the FO, however.

If you don't care about the hand you're dealt and that you should win with it anyway, I strongly suggest you avoid playing poker.

I think Sashi’s albatross was Wentz. Looks pretty much like a big swing and a miss that he could not undo.

He knew that finding a QB was job 1. So Wentz is an all-pro and Kizer is floundering the fact that he was fired did not surprise me.

Bad example. poker is the ultimate game of winning despite having an inferior hand.

Only if you are good at bluffing and don't have an obvious tell.

That doesn't seem to be the case here.

Lotsa ADHD around here. I've started the IGNORE list for the next 4 months. Smh. In disgust.

Whatcha think about a Chase Daniels with Rosen or Darnold?

Here's another. Cousins, Kizer and Daniels? Moore?

All I know is QB will FINALLY be fixed. You almost CAN'T screw this up unless we take a Mayfield or Jackson.

I liked Chase Daniels in college, but I think I've only seen him play once in the NFL and I can't remember how he did. Dorsey did mention him in a positive way recently.

Obviously, I could be dead wrong, but I have a feeling our QB room next year will be:

Rosen/Darnold
McCarron
Kizer

What would you think of that?

If I had to bet on a Qb room, that's the one that I would pick.

I would be okay with it as long as we get McCarron as an unrestricted free agent. I like him but not enough give up a 2nd round pick for him.

Tons. And I mean TONS of options. Almost every single one is potentially outstanding. I'm frickin pumped to see which way we go.

I'm definitely on the Rosen or Darnold wagon. Either is perfect for our future. Cousins I would be satisfied with if we choose to go that way.

The Vet has to be obtained. Has to be. Problem with a Mccarron is many will say the dude's played 5 games. I SAY BS. The dude's a Veteran in this league now. Knows Jackson's Offense. He's someone we need in the QB Room and on the sidelines. We have alot of options for a Vet.

Our WORST possible scenario is taking a Mayfield or Jackson. If we do that, regardless of any Vet we nab outside of Cousins would burst my bubble big-time.

We know how Jackson feels about Mccarron. How's Dorsey feel? That's an interesting conversation there.

I'm thinking that John Dorsey will get Hue Jackson his guy in free agency (if he's unrestricted) and then get his guy in the draft.

A.J. McCarron makes a lot of sense. They won't have to pay him much long term and they can easily bench him if they determine the rookie QB is ready to play (or he is terrible). This is known in the NFL as the "Glennon."

I think a better question might be how does Dorsey feel about Hue?

If Dorsey truly does like Hue and anticipates keeping him for years then McCarron makes a whole lot of sense. But if Dorsey has it in the back of his mind that Hue is gone after next season then that significantly drops McCarron's value (at least in my mind)

I'm guessing we could easily sign A.J. McCarron to, basically, a one year deal with high guarantees in the first year.

J/C. I think a lot will be determined by who the offensive coordinator is. I see Hue becoming a "head cheerleader" and supervisor type coach like Tomlin and Cower .

Interesting thought. If that were to happen, how much would the offense change? How much would that affect the argument for continuity?

Very good point about being a FA vs giving up a draft pick. Thanks for bringing that up because it is very important.

I think we should stick to the Vet qb on this thread and do the OC thing on the Offensive Coordinator thread because I don't think there is a way in hell that the team will bring in an OC that will implement his own offense. That would be beyond unproductive.

Yeah, I would be shocked if he wins his case and is an unrestricted free agent. To get him, we'll have to give up a pick and I just don't see that as worthwhile unless every other option goes off the table first. It definitely should not be our opening move at QB.

I think that he has a good case.

McCarron's grievance dates back to his rookie season in 2014, when the Bengals drafted him in the fifth round. McCarron initially passed his post-draft physical, but the Bengals placed him on the non-football injury (NFI) list at the start of training camp due to a shoulder issue.

In McCarron's opinion, he was healthy enough to come off the NFI list during training camp, which would have counted his rookie year towards free agency. But Cincinnati didn't add McCarron to its active roster until Dec. 9, meaning it was too late for him to accrue a season toward his free agency.

Under the terms of the collective bargaining agreement, a player receives an accrued season that counts toward free agency if he were eligible to play in six regular-season games.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21286...free-agent-2018

Think Browns should go get Jay Cutler, if Hue is back, to bring some stability, experience, and toughness,

Avoid picking a quarterback altogether, if they aren't going to bring in Mayfield,

I think Darnold, or Rosen, under Hue, aren't going to prove measurably more successful than another year's development of Kizer, under Hue, but rather would look pretty similar
Therefore the whole group may be better off if they avoid the Qb position at least until later on and instead look for a real weapon, (skill position player), on offense.

For the life of me if we go and grab Jay Cutler, I will honestly probably cry...and not out of enjoyment.

LOL..........my favorite part was the toughness attribute.

From probably the most notorious QB in all of football whom gives half ass effort regularly...And often in critical moments holds the ball way too long or just wings it wherever...I think I'd take Kizer over Cutler lol

I love this effort. Amazing toughness, effort, and professionlism. He is the dude at the bottom of the screen:

His intensity on that play, paralleled that of Gerrard Warren...I believe Cutler was ready for a smoke break there lol

Maybe we'll know more if a real OC is hired or Hue puppet.