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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
I will make it real simple. If one wants to examine our record, the fault lies w/the owner first and foremost. Then, the FO. No freaking coach could win w/this group at this particular point in time.


Winning isn't the only reason Hue is getting knocked on... I don't think we expected to lose THIS much and THIS bad this year, but I also didn't think we expected a winning record.

It's a case of things are dark and gloomy, and many people are to blame. Players are even to blame.

That's the depressing part, there's not just ONE aspect. All JMO

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not everyone is going to post the way you want them to

Back to the thread or bs whatever u wish to call it.

Let me break it down to likes n dislikes.
I think Hue is a very good coach,
Not because it seems every player, coach n football person says so.

I think he delegates very well.
I think with the respect he gets he ha been able to bring in very good teachers of the game and coaches.

Offense we haven't really seen his offense yet, just look at his QBs that he has been able to work with.

Ummm guys, without a functionable QB you simply do not have an O.

But I have seen glimpses of the flow n think it will be revered by most in the NFL.

We are very close unfortunately we are minus THE GUY. But I am sure it will get here.

The dislike is I think he needs a top O coach to teach/coach the execution of the playbook n gameplans.
I still want him calling the plays...he knows what he is doing.

As for the FO I have read some funny stuff...btw is it this thread that has our letting go of Barnidge as part of the problem?

Yes I know our W/L is terrible so ergo all is terrible
Hue
Sashi
Williams
Berry
Players
Owner
All are terrible.

You guys we guys have seen such a mess we wouldnt see a good thing if it slapped us in the face.
I think we are so close to being good n that is from the work done by Hue
Sashi
And all the others involved the last 2 years.

We are finally going to have some fun as fans and then what? We will like each other rofl


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
IMO..............you guys are full of crap.

You are questioning Hue and not questioning the owner and the FO.

I think that is total BS!

I also think that Hue is more highly regarded in NFL circles than anyone in the FO.

Y'all keep spewing your BS and I'll keep calling you out. Deal?

Let me point out the obvious... this thread is called "Hue's Strengths and Weaknesses"... so forgive everybody for focusing on Hue and not the FO.... You are usually the one trying to get people to focus on the topic of the thread....

There is another thread called "Should the FO get a pass".. I suggest you look over there to see who is actually giving the FO a pass...


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You MUST build a system to fit your players NOT pidgeon hole your players into YOUR system which apparently DOESNT fit their strengths NOR avoid their weaknesses. Coaching basics IMO...

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Hue Jackson is not an NFL quality head coach.

This is an indisputable fact given that currently and since Hue Jackson became the head coach of the Cleveland Browns, the Browns have the worst record EVER in the history of the NFL.

1-21?

1 win
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 loses.

What part of this doesn't register?

It became clear with the preseason kneeling incident that Hue Jackson is not in control of the team - the players. For instance, he was quoted as saying he didn't want the players to kneel. (players - "Go away, you're bugging us")

His hire by the Browns owner and/or front office was a huge mistake.

That's the real bad news.

Hue Jackson can be fired.

Jimmy and Dee Haslam can't.


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i keep thinking how demoralizing and awful it must feel to be Hue. regardless if he's a good coach, bad coach, or something in between ... it's gotta be hell to live with this mess


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Maximizing a system already in place, Hue seems pretty good. Implementing a system from scratch, Hue seems not so good. Roster turnover and youth have not helped him. Having the same QB for more than a few games would probably help. Give Hue and Kizer next year with some continuity together. Hopefully that way we can see more of the maximizing and less installing.

Part of the problem may be he is trying to do too much. Needs to do a better job of delegating. Hire an OC so he can focus more on problem areas instead of getting lost in trying to do everything himself.


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Figured I'd post this here ... it's a valid point (and something I just recently noticed) ... we RARELY use the middle of the field

Many problematic things in Cleveland don't relate to their front office. This is one example of poor coaching strategy & play design. https://t.co/k7vlOQwgo7
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CLE refusal to design enough for young Kizer/Hogan to the short middle of field, the BEST place to target, is a failure. More on the show ^^ pic.twitter.com/HyVQcs6iGm
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Coaching, not front office. https://t.co/heRhRuV8oo
— Brent Sobleski (@brentsobleski) October 17, 2017


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
IMO..............you guys are full of crap.

You are questioning Hue and not questioning the owner and the FO.

I think that is total BS.


If Hue shouldn't be questioned, then the team is the problem,
a good coach can't win with this team, because the team is made up of such bad parts:
ie. question the FO.

(I'll admit that's putting words in your mouth) but I'm doing it to make this point.

If you can see that is so,
then your point of view would have been stronger
if you were making it before week 1 and the losses started piling up.

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Uhmmmm.........I was talking about how bad this team would be all off-season, especially on offense. I also cautioned people about having unrealistic expectations and even predicted that Hue would be unfairly blamed when the reality of losing a ton of games set in.

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What has to happen for Hue to win 1/3rd of his games?

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The team needs more talent and the experience of the players will help as time progresses, provided we don't do something stupid and fire Hue.

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Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
What has to happen for Hue to win 1/3rd of his games?


1/3rd? you mean 1/30th?


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
The team needs more talent and the experience of the players will help as time progresses, provided we don't do something stupid and fire Hue.


I don't think Hue is going anywhere, anytime soon.

and it is unfair to judge him based on the players he has been provided with.

we ride this train, because we already punched our tickets to get on it. imo


I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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if we had good team he could hid a little of any shortcomming on offense. we got rid of too many players to compete.

we need to draft players and have them compete...not cut players and pretend backups are upgrades


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Weakness, unable to figure out our QB situation hahahahaha or act like he has a clue what he's doing with our QB situation.

Hue is a moron with some stuff.

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What's to figure out? He doesn't have a legit. starting QB no matter which one he starts.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
What's to figure out? He doesn't have a legit. starting QB no matter which one he starts.


Show some competence. Just a tiny bit. Heck, let's just throw everyone under the bus Hue hahahahaha.

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Well you posted about the QB position. Which losing QB do you start and does it really matter which one you start? You would have a point if he refused to start a better QB by playing one who was worse. But they all suck so where is the lack of competence when it comes to the QB's?

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Well you posted about the QB position. Which losing QB do you start and does it really matter which one you start? You would have a point if he refused to start a better QB by playing one who was worse. But they all suck so where is the lack of competence when it comes to the QB's?


You gave Hogan one start, saw him make the same mistakes did Kizer game after game but saw some offense at the same time, but cutting him short after one week?

If we lose, least we can lose seeing the offense get a first down or two with Kevin and try to gather some type of rhythm and etc for our o-line.

But it doesn't matter, I guess I'm actually just trolling really. I'm not watching him, or whoever plays, anymore this season.

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So you will be here trying to post about games you refuse to watch. Got it.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
So you will be here trying to post about games you refuse to watch. Got it.


Trying to post? Lol. Walk away time. Have a great day!

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Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
What has to happen for Hue to win 1/3rd of his games?


1/3rd? you mean 1/30th?

I don't think he meant 1/3rd or 1/30th.. I think he meant 13th.. as in the 13th game of the year, which oddly enough happens to be...

The Chargers. rofl


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Originally Posted By: Dawg_LB
Weakness, unable to figure out our QB situation hahahahaha or act like he has a clue what he's doing with our QB situation.

Hue is a moron with some stuff.
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