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he may be moving on to another board, if RG3 gets picked up

I think it is all about next years QB class. We go all in next year.

I think they are honestly trying to get a QB but what can you do when there isn't one to be had?

Good point. We may be content to just go with Cody next year with Hogan and someone we draft in the later rounds or a vet back-up. With our new O-line acquisitions we may run a lot more than we pass. Remains to be seen.

It was the difference between Kubiaks and obriens offenses... In Denver he didn't have to think... It was a simple offense that he had to do exactly what Gary wanted....in Houston he had to think and make a lot more reads and decisions... He can't think quickly... His mechanics are not great.... And didn't have much leadership quality....

I watched him up close all season... He has some physical skills but last year he was clearly the worst QB in the league... If he played decently Houston could have beaten NE

Well, if we go with Kessler then that gives us a sure top five pick next year and very likely the first overall so we would be set to take a QB in next years draft. Of course, who knows if this FO and coaching staff can survive another disaster of a season? Is Haslam going to have patience for a 2 or 3 win season? We don't have the D OR the running game to win many with Kessler at QB. Certainly not in the modern track meet era. Unless we draft a STUD running back and our D jumps to top ten.... I don't see that happening.

At this moment, Brock is the best QB on our roster by a decent amount. That isn't saying much but unless they draft a QB in the first or trade for one Brock with all his faults is the best chance we have at winning a few games.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I have seen where we are trying to trade him for a future pick and pick up around half of his salary. That makes some sense.

I have seen where we are simply going to cut him over the next few weeks. That doesn't make any sense. I'd at least ride him in to camp and see how he fits in to Hue's O.

QB's are a funny breed. A change of scenery is sometimes all it takes.

I'd rather start Brock than anyone we have currently.

That sounds terrible.

I'd at least like to see how Kessler matches up. Kessler was a rookie last year. 3rd round rookie. Honestly, he didn't look that bad for what he was.

It'll be interesting to see if we see any improvement and how much. But I do think he's a young guy who goes about his business, and he will be determined to try and be the starter no matter who we get to play QB.

That's the way he went about it at USC and he was a starter for 3 years. So don't expect Kessler to go easily without a fight, I just don't think he's that type of guy.

He might surprise some folks

Just for S's & G's I went over to the Broncos' fan forums to see if there was any buzz about possibly getting Osweiler back ... nope, nothing. You'd think there might be some interest after his stretch run to the playoffs there in 2015, especially with Siemien coming off shoulder surgery and Paxton Lynch being not ready to start. I'm still hoping we can trade Osweiler for additional ammo for Jimmy. Broncos and Jets seem like decent possible trade partners.

I fully believe we have him on the market, but you're right, it would be stupid to just cut him. Right now he's a $16M asset. He also played for a team with a crappy O-line that made it to the second round of the playoffs. If Hue's able improve his throwing mechanics, there's no reason to not at least take him into camp if you don't find a suitor for a trade. If you've been looking for a QB with AFCN measurables, Brock is a pretty good example. The question is, can he play, or was his "decent year" in Denver an aberration?

I have been thinking about this since the trade was made. I do not believe the FO has any future plans for Brock Osweiler when the trade happened. But, Hue Jackson's offense wants to get the ball down the field. Brock may be best suited for that job than any QB they currently have an opportunity to take. His arm is better than Kessler, Trubisky, and Watson. He also has more experience than all 3. Jimmy Garrapolo seems to be the FO preferred target and I agree but he may or may not be available.

My own personal preference at QB is Jimmy Garrapolo or next years top QB's Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold. But Jimmy Garrapolo might never be available and the Browns might not ever be in position for Rosen or Darnold.

Maybe Brock excels in Hue's scheme. He is a big pocket passer with a big arm. Career stats show he has thrown 26 TD's to 22 INT's. A 59.9 career completion %, 5,083 yards for a career QB rating 77.4. He was over 80$ until last season with the Texans. He might have just not been a fit for the Texans.

If they cannot get Jimmy Garrapolo just play Brock Osweiler. If he excels in Hue's offense we have our QB. If he does not we cut Brock at no cost and make a play next year for Jimmy Garrapolo, Josh Rosen, or Sam Darnold.

Spend pick #1, #12, #33, #52, and #65 on building the defense and grabbing at least one play maker on offense to replace the departed Terrelle Pryor.

Maybe something like this.

1a. Myles Garrett - DE
1b. Jabrili Peppers - SS
2a. Gareon Conley - CB
2b. Chris Godwin - WR
3. Budda Baker - FS

I think that is a bit misleading. LOL

Browns shopping Brock Osweiler and a 5th for a 3rd and will cut him if they can't trade him

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde..._osweiler.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- For all of those who wonder what Hue Jackson, noted quarterback whisperer, will get out of his new $16 million quarterback Brock Osweiler, the answer is nothing.


Osweiler, 26, is not in the Browns' quarterback plans and he'll be gone before long, either in a trade or release, sources tell cleveland.com.


The Browns have been shopping Osweiler since almost the minute they acquired him Thursday in a trade with the Texans, along with a 2018 second-round pick and a 2017 sixth-rounder (188). In exchange, the Browns gave up their compensatory pick in 2017, No. 142 overall, and took Osweiler's $16 million guaranteed contract off the Texans' books.


It was always all about the pick, and never about the quarterback.


The Browns have been offering Osweiler to teams for about a third-round pick, and are willing to give back a fifth-rounder, multiple league sources tell cleveland.com. The Browns would also eat a portion of Osweiler's $16 million contract, as much as half, sources say.


If the Browns can pull off such a deal -- a second-round pick for $8 million -- it will have been a smart, Moneyball move. As it is, they've spent $16 million to move up from a late fourth-rounder to a mid- to late-second rounder, a hefty sum for such a climb.


The Texans, who are looking to upgrade their quarterback position this year, went 9-7 last year and have the No. 57 overall pick in the second round. The pick next year will likely be somewhere in that neighborhood.


Several NFL personnel executives say they doubt anyone will give the Browns a third-round pick for Osweiler and pay him $8 million a year. If that could've been done, the Texans would've done it, they say.


The more likely scenario for the Browns is that they cut Osweiler and someone signs him for about $4 million a year. With offset language in his contract, that would reduce the price of the move up to somewhere between 33 and 64 to about $12 million.


The Browns also cut Robert Griffin III in the aftermath of the trade to offset the cost of the pick. The move saved them $6 million in base salary and almost $7 million in cap space for 2017.


The Browns planned to keep Griffin until they acquired another veteran quarterback, but the pricetag of the pick precluded that.


While the Browns were willing to pay $16 million for an unknown commodity, they let their homegrown receiver Terrelle Pryor walk out the door instead of overpaying to keep him. The jury will be out until the second-round pick becomes a player.


The Browns will still make a run at Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, league sources say, and they might use this 2018 second-rounder, or one of their other two second-rounders next year, as a part of a package to try to get the Patriots to part with their beloved backup.


But they'll have to knock the Patriots' socks off, and I doubt they'll be willing to surrender what it would take. I've been told New England, who keeps insisting they won't trade him, would want the Browns No. 1 pick and more -- as much as a first-rounder next year.


Not only would the Browns not give up two first-rounders, they won't part with this year's top pick, which will be used on Myles Garrett, unless something drastic happens between now and the draft.

The Browns can also use one of the second-rounders to move up from No. 12 if their favorite quarterback is on the board in the top 10. To this point, the Browns have favored Mitchell Trubisky over Deshaun Watson, but Watson closed the gap some with a sensational combine, and still has two more chances to impress the Browns in a private workout and a visit to Cleveland.


One or both of them might fall to the Browns at No. 12, but if one goes off the board in the top six, the Browns have the ammunition to move up and grab the other.


As for Osweiler, he doesn't fit Jackson's criteria for his franchise quarterback: arm talent, processing speed and face-of-the-franchise ability. He finished 27th in completion percentage last season and was tied for 25th with 16 interceptions. He was benched for the final two games despite the fact the Texans signed him to a four-year, $72 million, including $37 million guaranteed.


The Browns currently have Osweiler, Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan on their roster. Soon, Osweiler will be gone, and one or two new names will be added to the list.

I read an article that opined that Osweiler played well in Denver, in no small part to the overall simplicity of the offense. He then went to Houston, and struggled trying to understand/run O'Brien's far more complicated offense.

I do think that Hue is able to simplify things for his QBs. That could bode well for a guy like Osweiler. I'm not saying that he'll be the guy, but if we do start out with him, Hue could be the right coach to develop the guy. He's still pretty young, so who knows? He's also been durable, and that's been a problem for us.

I cannot see us just cutting him, at least before the draft, and probably well into training camp. I think that he's, at the very least, a chip, and we'll see if he becomes anything more, either for us, or as a trade piece.

Terry Pluto thinks the signing of Osweiler was more than jut for a draft pick even though that was the main reason they made the pick.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf...art_river_index

"The more likely scenario for the Browns is that they cut Osweiler and someone signs him for about $4 million a year. With offset language in his contract, that would reduce the price of the move up to somewhere between 33 and 64 to about $12 million."

That would be against league rules and would cost the Browns dearly in cash and future draft picks.

I do not think the Browns will cut Osweiler until after the 2017 season. They will either trade him of he will be on the roster.

The league already approved the trade. Osweiler is under contract with the Cleveland Browns and they can what they want with the contract.

He's never going to play a down.

You may be surprised.

Yeah. Hue might meet the kid and like him or something. I don't think we'll cut him very early on.

A lot can happen between now and game #1. But as of now, BO may be our best starter. A lot depends on Hue and his ability to plan to his strengths.

At this point he is an asset. If the FO can swing the right trade he will be traded. If not they will keep him thru the 2017 season and depending on if they can swing the trade for Garrapolo or if they can get the right QB to fall to them at 12, he may start here.

There's no need for us to just cut him anytime soon.

Why? It won't save s any money. He's not really taking anyone's roster spot. He could participate in the off-season program, and see if Hue is interested in coaching him. Even if he doesn't, it costs us nothing to keep him, let him play a little in the preseason, and maybe catch the eye of a team in need of a staring QB, maybe following an injury on their team.

We gain nothing by releasing him now, and we gain nothing by allowing people to think that we're going to cut him any time soon.

Where would Hue's offense rank in difficulty on a scale of Denver to Houston/NE?

Hue likes to throw the ball down the field which is in Osweiler's wheel house. What Hue would not like is the turnovers.

Hue has been able to simplify his offense, even to a large degree, when needed. I think that Osweiler might, and I emphasize might, be able to function in Hue's offense.

This is the one real advantage a guy like Garappolo has, in that I believe that he has mastered the mental side of a very complex offense in New England, and should be able to handle any offense another team would throw at him.

Keeping Osweiler on the team takes reps away from Kessler, who the team wants to give a chance (from what we have been told).

Osweiler was a horrible player and reports are that he was a horrible guy with his teammates and coaches too. I'd take basically any pro level QB over him.

That's a very good question.

I really don't know the answer to that one. I would like to know the answer, as well.

Someone else mentioned that Brock might be the best qb on our roster. He really is the best qb on our roster. That's scary.

It makes me wonder why so many people are opposed to upgrading the position by trading for Jimmy G.

But, back to Osweiler. I wouldn't just cut him right now. Put it this way...........there is no way I want to have watch Kessler starting a series of game again. That was beyond painful.

He has some very good film in Denver to go with his bad film in Houston. Including the 30 -24 OT win vs New England. He was 23-42 for 270 yards 1 TD 1 INT.

I like how our two QBs are exact opposites.

I don't know the people don't want to trade for Jimmy, they (myself included) just don't want to pay what Bill might demand for a guy with 3 NFL starts when Myles Garret is there for the taking.

Do you think he's the next Andrew Luck? I've never seen him play.

All I know is Hue said he likes QBs over 6'2...Wouldn't that bode better for Osweiler than Kessler?

I don't like making comparisons too much. I do not think he is similar to Luck.

He is similar to Aaron Rodgers in many ways. His arm isn't as strong, but it's plenty strong.

They are similar in size, ability to process info quickly, sitting behind a legend for a long time, gunslinger mentality at times, athleticism, quick release, ability to throw from different arm angles, great motion when throwing w/out duress, etc.

I am not saying he is going to be as good as Rodgers. That would be stupid. But, you asked.

The bottom line for me is that I truly think he has a great chance of solving our qb position for over a decade.

And, if I am correct...........can you really put a price on that?

When I asked the Luck question it wasn't as in style of play, but 'next big thing' worth selling the farm for.

I did ask and thank you for the analysis. I agree, if all that panned out here in Cleveland you couldn't put a price on it.

Man, 10 years. We haven't had a QB for 10 straight years since Otto have we? I think after 31/2 years we'd all be walking around delirious wondering what was going on!

I always thought of Jimmy G as a bigger version of Drew Brees. Or at least envisioned him that way.

That's not a bad thing to be. If he indeed does turn out to be that good.

I just remembered something, didn't he stay in college another year when he heard we might be drafting him?