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Those are all highlight tapes, of course he's gonna look great. I prefer to watch the whole game film to see the highs and lows before jumping to a conclusion about a guy. You just can't make a judgement of off a highlight tape.

And many a player has come into this league with the skill set to be great only to fail. If that where the case drafting would be easy. He's a risk, no-one can say he isn't after only playing 2 games in the NFL. Well you could I guess but no way it would be fact based. Only speculation. He may very well be good, I just can't make that assumption yet, I need to see more.

Actually the second video was every throw he made that game. Those were just the easiest ones to find. Feel free to root around on google to find more. There is very little risk involved with Jimmy G. IMHO.

If we don't go with Jimmy G. Honestly, I'd rather just give RG3 or Cody a second chance. We can pick up a later round QB to roll the dice on but there is no one other than Trub I would even bother with.

I am with you on that one. I am not high on any QBs this year in the draft. Trub maybe... Or if there are any late round projections that I have yet to come across...

I did watch the one game and part of a preseason game and he looked good but he's not squeaky clean like some seem to think. He struggles under pressure more then i'd like him to. But I tend to like true pocket passers who stand in there against the blitz. He has tools but for me not worth the 12th pick. Not even close. Still to many questions and again he's played in two games, lets not anoint him just yet. He's got further to go.

I'm not saying I don't like him, just don't like him for #12. I'd take him over any of the rookies just on his experience in the league alone. But I also wouldn't draft any of the guys coming out this year till round 2 either.

Who doesn't struggle under pressure? Seriously?

The key is him being able to predict the pressure, and get rid of it sooner if he has to. To avoid those big hits.

The guy can make ALL the throws.

Would his first season here be as nice as those games? Probably not.

But just imagine how nice the oline would appear if the QB got rid of the ball as quick as he does.

Grossi says Hue is in love with Tyrod Taylor. I don't get it myself. A lot of you don't like Grossi but he seems like the only one asking the tough questions.

Some of what Grossi does is very valuable. His problem is the way his message sometimes comes across.

Agreed. Mr. Grossi has done a lot for Cleveland civically, which goes unheralded because he does not seek glory for himself in that regard. Mr. Grossi says things directly that people don't like (cause at times they are unflattering towards the Browns) nor agree with, which is OK. However, a lot of people then make personal attacks and insults towards him as a person.

Your reply was respectful and I will try to respond in kind.

You say that you don't base your opinions completely on stats, but then use a stat to compare the two QBs accuracy. I am not trying to be harsh here, but completion percentage is not the true indicator of accuracy. Throwing a ton of bubble screens and similar passes obviously improves one's completion percentage. Jimmy's intermediate throws are far more accurate in my opinion than Trub's.

Processing information while reading coverages isn't something that is really taught. It's innate. I have tried to explain the difference between reading defenses pre-snap and coverages post-snap a thousand times over the years, but it never quite sinks in w/folks.

I see that you mentioned Glennon and several others have as well here and there on this board. My problem w/him is that he holds the ball very long and has a slow release. That translates to a lot of sacks. Something we should be familiar w/here in Cleveland.

Hue will say he loves every QB right now. Every QB he generates media buzz over that is NOT the one he wants makes it more likely a team will go after the ones he doesn't want and leave the one he wants alone. It's called misdirection and its done A LOT this time of year.

Grossi doesn't get respect because his writing is subpar and all over the place. He is also has no problems with reporting spoon fed lies either. He does occasionally get a bone from the Browns but it's so seldom you can rely on him to know what's really going on.

I don't understand your reply...

All I said was that players come into the league all the time with a high skill set only to fail, never really said why they fail. Just that it happens.

And you guys are missing my point, I don't dislike Jimmy just wouldn't spend a 1st round pick on him. He is our best option, I agree with that much of it. But NE would need to take a second for me to do a deal.

Let me ask this about it, basing your answers on how Sashi and company value draft picks, and how they are analytic driven do you really see them investing the 12th pick or any first round pick for a guy who just three years ago was only a second round pick and who has only 2 games played under his belt? What would their analytics say about that?

That he's a better value than anyone we can get at 12.

By your logic I could say no one would trade a first round pick for Derek Carr because he was a 2nd rounder and got hurt this year. So obviously he's injury prone.

How many games has Carr played in? How many has Garappolo played in? There's the difference in the value of those two. Carr has played enough games to know he can be successful. And I never said anything about injury prone.