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I sure don't remember reading that about Farmer.

I sure do. Over and over and over and over.

In fact, you were a big fan of Farmer and used to slam me for questioning some of his moves.

We missed out on the detail that he didn't feel like fielding punts at a workout, too. Just a total failure to dig in and evaluate our highest investment in that draft class. That just can't happen in a professional setting. Perhaps the "frathouse" environment said you can half-ass a report hung over at the last minute, and that presentation was called Justin Gilber.

The Steelers cut Gilbert.

https://twitter.com/steelers/status/828710255492231168

Joe Thomas then said this (while quoting a Tweet about Gilbert being cut), "If you don't like football, it doesn't matter how talented you are, your star will burn out quick."

https://twitter.com/joethomas73/status/828712135366545410

so long gilbert

We gotta get this guy

I'll just be blunt and real about it, IMO - I'm shocked it didn't happen sooner. I can't believe we wasted such a high pick on that kid. We're so pathetic.

Old news man. You still upset over that?


Move on. That water moved under the bridge a long time ago.

Joe Thomas is like an old grandma. She's been in the game so long, she gives ZERO darns what she says bc she knows no one will try to check her. lol.

I very well could be wrong, but that's probably the most blunt/controversial statement Joe Thomas has ever made.

Our 2014 first round picks sure blew tremendous opportunities. They simply didn't care enough to take advantage of them.

When my cousin was doing reporting with the Browns...it was perceived by reporters that Justin Gilbert was bipolar.

Have you seen some of the things he's said about Goodell?

I'll also have to find the article leading up to the draft...Gilbert had an amazing combine (superb numbers all around) However he had zero buzz from NFL teams afterwards...SO concluded it was something that teams found out after his dazzling workout...Which more than likely in interviews...And of course we overlooked that aspect and took him...

When your GM had rather interview and do background checks on coeds than 1st round draft picks, these things tend to happen.

eh? did I miss something?...never heard about coeds before.

When the trash is thrown away I don't worry about it anymore ...

On the bright side we still have the 6th round pick in the 2018 draft that the Steelers gave us for him.

Who was the GM when Gilbert was picked?

Million dollar body, 5 cent head.

Didn't we pass on Kilil Mack to take Gilbert?.......Sheesh

His comments on Peyton Hills was blunt, brutal and/but probably true.

Yes and that 6th round pick will probably be more productive than he was. It's pathetic isn't it?

Few guys on twitter have mentioned that Gilbert was actually a Pettine pick.

Pettine loved DBs...well I think he was the coach whom always activated alot of DBs on game day...so maybe it was his guy?

we passed on Kahlil Mack and Derek Carr...sametime

I was just catching up on ESPN podcasts and came across this (don't know if the link will work...) The relevant part is about halfway through the clip.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/playPopup?id=18638434


FWIW Grossi was relating how Pet told him that the Browns (organizationally) never talked to Gilbert or even invited him in for a work out prior to the Draft. Apparently they weren't interested in him. About a week before the Draft Farmer went out west and supposedly met with Gilbert. When Pet found out we were going to pick him, he was basically like WTH? because they hadn't ever met with him. Farmer told him he had and that he would vouch for Gilbert. Pet was shocked because it was the first time he had ever witnessed or even heard that a team would draft their 1st pick without ever having met with him.

If the link doesn't work it's from one of the most recent Big Show podcasts.

There was also an audio clip (right after the selection of Gilbert) of Pettine talking to Gilbert about getting him. Saying he was jumping up and down on the draft room table to select him. I posted it on this site awhile ago.

Not sure which angle is the correct one.

Before the draft, I was hoping that we would trade down and select Gilbert. It turned out that I was right...and very wrong also.

So YOU are Ray Farmer!

And I used to like you bb32

It's cool. I wanted us to draft Mingo and was very happy we did. Yikes!

It was "backflips off the table." Basically the truth sounds to be from the different stories put together that Pettine was as woefully unprepared as Farmer (inexplicably) was, and that Pettine had told Farmer he wanted a corner that was long and fast and could "play press man" and Farmer told Pettine that Gilbert was that guy and Pettine said he'd do backflips if we got him. But neither of them knew what the heck they were talking about. Gilbert didn't play press man at Okie State.

It became even more clear to those willing to see it (I wasn't at the time) that both guys had no idea what they were talking about regarding Gilbert. When they called Gilbert on draft day and Pettine talked to him, Pet said all excitedly "you ready to play some press man?!" which was met with a brief period of awkward silence, followed by a non-committalish something like "um, yeah."

Total freaking negligence. Of course it shouldn't be surprising that both guys want to completely shirk accountability on that one based on the amount of effort they were willing to put in.

The thing that bothers me the most, besides the actual mistake made by picking Gilbert, is why can't whomever is responsible for making the decision for taking him man up and admit they were wrong. We hear different stories etc. just own up to it. Good GM's make mistakes. It happens due to the business and we are all human. Lord knows with our Browns TOO many mistakes have been made by many over the last 17 years.

Gilbert / manziel. Versus. Mack/Carr

I have a 40 pound weight in my office let me drop it on my toe.

Less painful

It makes me sick every time I think about it and that's just the mistake in one draft. There are others too that are just as bad.

Yeah, people say get over it, you're still hanging on that and etc... factoring all the big misses, there's a lot of crap to put behind. As you said, that's just one draft. Manziel and Gilbert, wow. Just wow. I'm not sure if another team could possibly make two of the worst selections in the first round as that.

In a perfect world you should get over it but with our Browns you see the same mistakes over and over again. Some other teams have been good had a few down years and are contending again while we keep losing in double digits every year. It's disheartening. Every year we watch the playoff's and Super Bowl and wish our Browns could be there. Every year, a broken record.

It was necessary to go into the Witness Protection Program...

I think it is spelled "witless"