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Hmmmmm.....it works the other way, too.

--Does "Gilber's break-out season" ring a bell?

--Shelton is a beast.

--Erving is the best offensive lineman in the draft.

--Bowe is the big, tall, fast WR we need.

--Duke is going to challenge for rookie of the year.

--Gabriel is going to emerge as one of the best receivers in the entire NFL.

--We are going to have a top 5 defense.

--We are going to have a great running game.

Need I continue?

I'm not really sure where you went with that, or why.

All I'm saying is that this years picks, Shelton and Erving have been here for 6 total games. It's hardly time to call them busts, lumping them in with the other disappointing first round picks.

As I said in my original post on the subject, I'm defending those two players, not the GM.

I went there because people seem to have a problem w/negative evaluations after just a 6 games but seem to have absolutely no problem w/positive evaluations after zero games.

It strikes me as odd and biased.

Although I grasp and feel your sentiment 100% and beyond, I think the phrase you're looking for is "... then reality hit" because the vibe, hope and other emotions we all get, including myself, is a bit over-sensitive and perhaps distorted in the offseason.

Get a taste of the pie though, and you realize it taste like _hit! It's why I learned to keep my comments to "on paper we are..." and "well, perhaps on paper..." and etc etc. Keep my hopes low, get disappointed a lot less.

Fair.

We are also just as close to being a 1-5 team.



I've heard that before...



How do we get these key players when our GM keeps wiffing at acquiring talent?

So you say this:


And then you say this:



22 games is not enough time to declare a coaching staff is bad, but handful of starts is enough time to crown Johnny our QB for the next decade?

Look, I'm not advocating firing anyone, but this staff makes a lot of boneheaded decisions that make me wonder if they will ever win.

Continuity of the sake of continuity isn't anymore of answer than cleaning house every year is.

Just so you know..........I don't consider you one of the blind homers who rip others for not being a homer.

We disagree on some things. We agree on other things. I never get the feeling you are biased, though. You just call it like you see it..........even if you see it wrong.


Just kidding, dawg.

Your comment would actually hold some water if you didn't yell at posters for judging Mingo poorly in his rookie campaign.

I don't think anyone actually begrudges you your opinion.

We just get frustrated with it being wrong year after year, after year, after year.

sorry eo but that was funny.

Why do guys like you always resort to the "crying and whining" labels when people disagree w/you?

Do you really believe that your opinion then becomes the correct one, because no one else has any logic behind their arguments? We're just cry babies and whiners?

Pfffttttt.........that is why I can't take you seriously.

doesnt matter if you think vers does it or not. it is the truth. not saying eo in particular but some posters on this board.

If Gilbert and Manziel played for another team like the Ravens and Steelers would be calling them "busts"
If Manziel was a "franchise" QB he wouldn't be sitting behind a journeyman with 8 teams under his belt.
how many teams could he start for now. maybe 1. ?
Justin Gilbert wasn't drafted to be a special teams body. He was drafted to start along side Joe Haden and play on a island.
Face it Farmer is a poor evalulator of talent.
I'm not impressed with Erving. Great he can play 3 spots on the o-line. I rather draft a lineman who's great at HIS position instead of serviceable at 3.
you can a find those kind of lineman after draft day.
Farmer has the worst draft record of any GM in the AFC North and maybe the AFC for that matter.
he has the Browns headed for another sub .500 finish.
thats not progress.

It's simple Tab.

You predict year in and year out a strong winning record.

You say that this team is a "team of destiny". You said it before this season and we're 2-4.

And you can argue we have the best talent since 1999, but our record certainly doesn't reflect that. I remember we had seven pro bowlers one year and it still didn't help.

I don't believe anyone questions that you know the game. But even you must admit that your eternal optimism has failed the test year after year.
We're not whiners or cry babies because we have a much firmer grasp on how this team will perform year after year and point out the obvious.

I notice you only cherry picked one of my points to address.

Only one we can judge is Shelton. The other guy is a bench warmer. Which is exactly what you want out of a first round pick. If he never plays he's AWESOME. What we MUST have from Farmer is frist round picks that DON'T start. He's three for four in that..... Great job!